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Nah, no detractor Larry Send a noteboard - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM
You can spare everyone a long winded explanation on the differences between the two though. You could have posted this anywhere, and perhaps you did, but the fact that you revived it, suggests that you want to start an argument and nothing more. However, I'll indulge you because I like to debate.

Is Robert Jordan the best writer ever? No. Is the Wheel of Time the best piece of fiction ever written? No. However, it has to be judged by what it is, and not what it is not, and what it is is "escapism." When you look upon it as a piece of escapism fiction, then you'll be hard pressed to find a better series, or for that fact a better author. Sure you and everyone else can rattle off other authors, and other books but the numbers speak for themselves. Robert Jordan and the Wheel of Time are king.

Robert Jordan was able to tap into something that a lot of people crave. We live in a world where we're always at work, we're always on call, we're always connected in some way. We have our cellphones in our pockets, and those phones not only receive phone calls, but emails, text messages, and photos. We have the Internet, Twitter, and Facebook, so we can be knowledgeable about everything, and everyone at all times.

As a society we work long hours, and have only a small amount of time to play. I myself work between 60-65 hours a week, and it is common for me to have to deal with problems, not only on my days off, but when I'm on vacation too. All the new technology that comes out that's supposed to make our lives easier, in other ways complicates our lives too.

At the end of the day, people have to decide how to relax, some go to the bar, others watch TV, others movies, but some read books. The majority of the books that I read are Non-Fiction, and of the Fiction that I read a smaller percentage of that is Fantasy.

When I do decide to read a fantasy novel, I'm not looking for an authors view of plant rights, animal rights, gay rights, or human rights, nor do I want to think about terrorists, bombing, or government activities. I want to forget all about that.

Basically, if I read that some author is "using" fantasy to "explore" an issue, then I won't read it. You know why? Because at the heart of it, their just an author with an opinion. Not much different than myself, so if I want to read about global warming, and whether or not it exists, then I'd rather read it without the dragons and magic.

Growing up there was a product for women called Calgon, and their motto was, "Calgon take me away." That's what I'm looking for when I decide to read a fantasy novel. To escape, to get away from the world for a while. That is what the Wheel of Time is about. That is what Robert Jordan meant it to be. To look upon it as anything else, is not to understand what your reading. Surely, your smart enough to understand that.

Let me put it this way. Right now you're all, "Rah Rahing" Adam Roberts and how he reviewed the Wheel of Time. I'm assuming though, that if your work of fiction were reviewed, and judged as escapism, that it would easily fall short. Then of course, you'd probably be upset because we were not smart enough to realize that what you wrote wasn't meant to be escapism, but something different entirely.

In the end, no ones saying that Adam Roberts can't be critical of Jordan. Neither is anyone saying that you can't agree with him. Judging by the amount of comments in this thread, no ones even saying that you can't post it and talk about it. (OK, some people have said it, but the administrators aren't stopping you.) However, with all that being said, none of that makes you right...





I would, however, wonder at those readers who would try to use the same criteria to judge my published translations of short weird fiction with an epic fantasy. Very different creatures, as one certainly does not read weird fiction for "escapism."
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 10072 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2118 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1875 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2056 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 930 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1428 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1975 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 899 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1509 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1448 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 786 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1799 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1336 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1330 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1344 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1329 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1681 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 889 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1501 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1538 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1324 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1286 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1319 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 877 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 745 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1411 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1348 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1213 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1260 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1139 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1279 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1171 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1088 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1187 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1247 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1305 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1313 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1357 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1352 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1351 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1277 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1164 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1385 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1247 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1271 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1079 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1235 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1346 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1224 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1586 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1159 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1360 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 904 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1344 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1223 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1216 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1183 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1314 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1240 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1292 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1267 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1314 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1151 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1152 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1222 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1267 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1266 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1184 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1216 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1169 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1162 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1320 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1392 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1214 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1181 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1179 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1171 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1239 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1181 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1336 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1182 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1084 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1224 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1247 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1199 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1288 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1258 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1240 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1286 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1112 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1370 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9977 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1280 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1447 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1167 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1310 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1355 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1399 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1247 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1440 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1409 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1397 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1824 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1632 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1126 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1216 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 794 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1389 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1214 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1221 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1108 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1135 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1422 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1092 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1179 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1346 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1383 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1254 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1320 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1093 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1174 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1100 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1181 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1126 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1292 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1224 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1089 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1291 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1194 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1182 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1242 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1060 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1272 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1228 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1248 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1759 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1166 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1292 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1254 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1262 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1056 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1190 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1123 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1112 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1121 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1307 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1334 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1280 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1072 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1280 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1329 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2479 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1084 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1129 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1105 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1248 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1219 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1130 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2059 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1206 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1173 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1192 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1097 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1212 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1276 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2168 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1184 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 879 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1203 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1216 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1172 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1381 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1119 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1038 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1224 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1166 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1184 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1287 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1183 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1054 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1246 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1132 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1476 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1227 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1285 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1264 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 764 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1109 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1277 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1375 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1169 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1357 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1264 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1448 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1285 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 749 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1186 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1257 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1243 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1262 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8661 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1213 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1341 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1327 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1285 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1365 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1304 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1444 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1184 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1213 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1285 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1198 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1124 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1422 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 828 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1180 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 734 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1085 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 778 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1119 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1219 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1329 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1099 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1377 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1264 Views

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