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Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM
Like Roberts you seem to be missing the point. It's not about obsession, it's about enjoying something despite it's flaws.

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The point I'm making is that Jordan went very deep into building a world, rather than creating a skeleton of a world and leaving it as "good enough". Poor public education is a whole other topic.

I'd be careful not to confuse regulars at fansites with casual readers who tend to make up the majority of the readership of any book/series. And to be honest, I seem to recall thinking that having characters that were pretty much stereotypes was not clever, but rather an annoying character development shortcut.



I'm highly aware that the fan-site membership is representative of the fringe readers. However, I think you would be very surprised by the amount of data that can be taken from a sample of online readers who participate in forum discussion. The very fact that Jordan has so many dedicated fan-sites, is an indicator that a larger portion of his readers are more invested than someone like Roberts, who may be a technically better writer, but lacks a passionate fan base. That is a tale in and of itself. And for the record I have had many conversations with casual readers, most of whom can spout off amazing factoids about many WOT subjects. If you've spent 20 years reading a collection of novels you tend to retain quite a bit.

Oh, I'll agree there's a "weight" to it, but I don't quite share your appreciation for it, unfortunately. It was an interesting tale at one point (or else I wouldn't bother commenting on it), but the weight of its narrative and structural problems lessened that enjoyment to the point that I haven't read any of the first nine novels in nearly 10 years and the last three only once each, with little desire for a re-read of any. What you highlight as positives end up being negatives for me. I guess the internet acronym of YMMV is applicable here.


Then why continue to read it? Seems like a waste of energy and time to read something you don't enjoy. I can simply say that perhaps you need to get out of your head and let yourself enjoy the story. The more you bog yourself down with being irritated by poor syntax or literary devices you don't like the less you take away from the enjoyment of a rich storyline. Perhaps try listening to the audio books, I've recently downloaded a few of them (I've never listened to an audio book before mind you) and have found a rather different experience... some good, some not.

Not to knock you for your reading preferences, but why don't you try other stories? Reading only one or a small handful of authors I would think would be very limiting on one's enjoyment of fiction.


Generally speaking I find other Fantasy and most Sci-fi bland and oddly unimaginative. I tend to mostly read non-fiction.

I used to read a lot of Fantasy, and have a few favorites that I still pick up from time to time, but over the years I've gotten board with an increasingly formulaic category of books. Perhaps Jordan is somewhat responsible for that :)

I think one of the reasons I enjoy Jordan so much is I can see how much effort he put into building each character, each nation etc... I find most other Fantasy authors to be rather lazy in that regard. Perhaps it's my age, when I was in my 20s I enjoyed the adventure aspects of Fantasy and read much more widely in the genre, in my 30s I've gotten more into depth of character and have had little luck in Fantasy, as I'm creep up on my 40s I find that fiction in general holds little appeal to me, I'd rather read a historical text or a research study!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9891 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2054 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1821 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1989 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 888 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1372 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1920 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 860 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1451 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1389 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 751 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1731 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1284 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1276 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1286 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1273 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1625 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 847 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1446 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1482 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1271 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1223 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1265 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 845 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 706 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1361 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1289 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1170 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1210 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1077 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1229 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1121 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1043 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1134 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1190 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1242 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1254 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1306 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1307 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1289 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1221 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1095 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1330 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1197 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1221 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1049 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1183 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1291 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1179 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1536 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1116 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1312 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 865 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1286 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1181 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1160 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1134 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1261 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1186 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1243 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1216 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1250 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1101 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1096 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1167 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1215 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1216 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1136 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1156 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1106 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1105 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1271 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1330 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1163 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1126 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1127 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1114 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1189 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1126 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1283 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1122 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1031 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1165 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1199 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1144 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1230 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1209 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1187 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1224 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1063 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1313 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9929 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1220 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1393 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1108 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1249 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1293 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1345 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1195 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1389 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1354 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1349 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1772 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1574 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1077 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1169 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 751 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1336 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1169 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1169 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1050 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1085 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1365 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1041 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1131 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1284 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1337 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1201 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1268 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1040 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1118 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1048 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1136 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1073 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1230 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1167 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1041 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1238 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1146 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1116 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1191 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1004 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1216 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1176 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1200 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1717 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1113 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1235 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1198 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1207 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1002 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1127 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1061 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1048 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1063 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1258 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1280 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1226 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1020 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1223 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1275 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2430 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1032 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1074 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1049 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1198 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1168 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1077 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2001 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1154 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1121 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1136 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1043 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1161 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1223 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2118 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1127 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 840 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1152 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1155 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1116 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1317 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1070 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 994 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1164 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1108 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1126 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1222 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1121 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 999 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1181 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1090 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1426 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1177 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1222 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1206 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 731 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1060 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1212 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1311 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1113 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1297 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1209 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1380 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1225 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 712 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1131 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1206 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1188 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1206 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8594 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1168 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1291 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1274 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1230 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1313 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1256 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1394 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1135 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1169 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1231 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1144 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1077 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1372 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 797 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1129 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 699 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1029 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 744 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1060 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1167 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1284 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1045 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1314 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1221 Views

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