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So, if you don't mind... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM
All stuff with implications for later. What was resolved?


Given that you seem to be saying that this is something bad, I assume it would also be applicable to other books. And I also seem to recall that you did not share my perception that Scott Bakker's The Prince of Nothing series was one of the most detestable stories I have had the misfortune of subjecting myself to. So, if we were to use the first book, The Darkness That Comes Before (because it's the only one I've read the conclusion of, having thrown the second book against a wall at some point mid-read), and apply that same criticism, wouldn't you also find the book lacking?

As I recall, absolutely nothing is resolved in that book. It almost reads like a prequel, getting all the main characters to Constantinople (I forget many of the names in that series, given that they're the kind of names that make my players roll their eyes if I ever try to use them in a D&D game) so the Holy War can start... next book. Nothing about the characters is resolved either. I guess there's a resolution to the Byzantine court intrigue to place the Emperor's nephew in command of the armies in exchange for the liberation of imperial cities held by the Muslims, but that hardly qualifies as a significant plot point.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13517 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3479 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3448 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3443 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1712 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2749 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3459 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1642 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2874 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2758 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1502 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3106 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2667 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2793 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2632 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2649 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3088 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1837 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2786 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2831 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2655 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2651 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2719 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1576 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1434 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2730 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2658 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2536 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2607 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2586 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2560 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2478 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2418 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2574 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2595 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2745 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2657 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2695 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2681 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1584 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2603 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2595 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2670 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2651 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2475 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2733 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2632 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2573 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1758 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2585 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2671 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2496 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2977 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2417 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2693 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1585 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2699 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2520 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2482 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2468 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2638 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2489 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2537 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2547 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2726 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2477 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2392 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2467 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2563 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2515 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2491 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2503 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2420 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2496 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2604 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2729 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2431 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2446 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2449 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2371 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2548 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2464 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2624 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2460 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2452 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2641 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2540 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2516 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2610 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2475 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2519 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2594 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2446 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2736 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11263 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2589 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2739 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2489 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2596 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2622 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2710 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2587 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2695 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2693 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2754 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3098 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2942 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2401 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2547 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1469 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2650 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2531 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2480 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2337 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2384 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2708 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2375 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2434 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2662 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2711 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2574 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2606 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2395 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2465 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2392 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2470 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2514 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2632 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2520 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2390 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2582 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2613 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2462 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2517 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2333 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2582 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2514 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2537 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3071 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2549 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2535 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2511 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2547 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2360 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2518 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2394 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2418 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2495 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2604 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2612 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2575 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2308 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2668 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2648 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3768 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2318 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2459 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2364 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2562 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2522 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2454 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3321 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2550 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2507 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2517 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2520 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2510 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2617 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3453 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2490 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1554 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2416 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2500 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2435 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2880 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2388 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2322 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2535 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2520 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2481 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2577 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2511 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2330 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2534 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2477 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2798 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2577 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2587 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2658 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1420 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2397 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2650 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2746 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2498 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2639 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2470 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2810 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2637 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1409 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2528 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2606 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2532 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2625 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10116 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2547 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2605 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2615 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2626 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2636 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2567 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2751 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2429 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2482 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2491 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2439 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2699 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2666 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1487 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2473 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1397 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2404 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1519 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2382 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2575 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2583 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2463 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2866 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2600 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1407 Views

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