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Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much Larry Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM
Like Roberts you seem to be missing the point. It's not about obsession, it's about enjoying something despite it's flaws.

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The point I'm making is that Jordan went very deep into building a world, rather than creating a skeleton of a world and leaving it as "good enough". Poor public education is a whole other topic.


But when someone points out perceived flaws and doesn't praise what you praise, it's okay to roast that person without giving due consideration to what s/he has observed?

I think you missed out on the fun a few years ago of the "great clodding foot of nerdism" that another author, M. John Harrison, wrote in regards to "worldbuilding." Sometimes, less is more and more is much, much less.

I'd be careful not to confuse regulars at fansites with casual readers who tend to make up the majority of the readership of any book/series. And to be honest, I seem to recall thinking that having characters that were pretty much stereotypes was not clever, but rather an annoying character development shortcut.

I'm highly aware that the fan-site membership is representative of the fringe readers. However, I think you would be very surprised by the amount of data that can be taken from a sample of online readers who participate in forum discussion. The very fact that Jordan has so many dedicated fan-sites, is an indicator that a larger portion of his readers are more invested than someone like Roberts, who may be a technically better writer, but lacks a passionate fan base. That is a tale in and of itself. And for the record I have had many conversations with casual readers, most of whom can spout off amazing factoids about many WOT subjects. If you've spent 20 years reading a collection of novels you tend to retain quite a bit.


Or it's just a sign that he wrote MOR fantasy that most readers read as an equivalent of a popcorn flick. They don't want or care to think too much about it. Similar to how most of Terry Goodkind's readers are not supporters of his Objectivist-leaning thoughts, despite those opinions shaping several of his SoT novels.

Spending 20 years reading a series is not my idea of a fun time. Have too many books to review, short fiction to read for anthologies, and translations to be done in my spare time to spend too much time on any particular author or literary genre. But if that floats your boat, OK, but I just wouldn't think that would be SOP for most readers.


Oh, I'll agree there's a "weight" to it, but I don't quite share your appreciation for it, unfortunately. It was an interesting tale at one point (or else I wouldn't bother commenting on it), but the weight of its narrative and structural problems lessened that enjoyment to the point that I haven't read any of the first nine novels in nearly 10 years and the last three only once each, with little desire for a re-read of any. What you highlight as positives end up being negatives for me. I guess the internet acronym of YMMV is applicable here.

Then why continue to read it? Seems like a waste of energy and time to read something you don't enjoy. I can simply say that perhaps you need to get out of your head and let yourself enjoy the story. The more you bog yourself down with being irritated by poor syntax or literary devices you don't like the less you take away from the enjoyment of a rich storyline. Perhaps try listening to the audio books, I've recently downloaded a few of them (I've never listened to an audio book before mind you) and have found a rather different experience... some good, some not.


Like I said before, I don't spend much time on it. I read CoT in 2006, KoD and TGS in 2009 only because I received a review copy from Tor a week before the release date. I reviewed the former in a much more snarky fashion than Roberts has shown to date, in large part due to dares from a few regulars at wotmania, including Dom, incidentally. The other two were read just so I could review the book on time. Although I was pleasantly surprised by TGS, it was far from the best read I had in 2009 (for what I did like, you can always click on the link below) and that's chalked up to personal preferences and knowledge of what's available.

It is quite amusing how some think that just because one pays closer attention to how a story is constructed that s/he cannot appreciate the story being told as well. I'd argue that in several cases, the enjoyment can be heightened from being more aware of these things. I heard the audio samples and thought they were tedious. Of course, I can finish the typical book in about 2-3 hours if I decide to spend that much time on a work, so the audio parts tend to be too slow for my liking :P

Not to knock you for your reading preferences, but why don't you try other stories? Reading only one or a small handful of authors I would think would be very limiting on one's enjoyment of fiction.

Generally speaking I find other Fantasy and most Sci-fi bland and oddly unimaginative. I tend to mostly read non-fiction.

I used to read a lot of Fantasy, and have a few favorites that I still pick up from time to time, but over the years I've gotten board with an increasingly formulaic category of books. Perhaps Jordan is somewhat responsible for that :)


Then you aren't reading enough types of fantasy, then. The books I mention in that link are very, very different from epic fantasies.

I think one of the reasons I enjoy Jordan so much is I can see how much effort he put into building each character, each nation etc... I find most other Fantasy authors to be rather lazy in that regard. Perhaps it's my age, when I was in my 20s I enjoyed the adventure aspects of Fantasy and read much more widely in the genre, in my 30s I've gotten more into depth of character and have had little luck in Fantasy, as I'm creep up on my 40s I find that fiction in general holds little appeal to me, I'd rather read a historical text or a research study!


I burned out on the research parts 13 years ago, after I earned my MA in History :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9728 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2025 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1795 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1954 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 863 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1341 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1884 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 835 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1410 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1353 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 730 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1702 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1247 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1243 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1256 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1245 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1591 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 821 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1412 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1454 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1236 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1185 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1236 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 819 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 680 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1334 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1256 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1139 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1176 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1045 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1198 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1090 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1019 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1101 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1163 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1210 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1223 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1271 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1265 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1257 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1186 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1057 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1300 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1171 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1191 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1024 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1155 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1265 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1148 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1507 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1087 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1283 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 840 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1257 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1153 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1131 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1099 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1234 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1158 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1211 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1191 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1222 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1070 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1067 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1135 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1188 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1182 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1109 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1128 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1064 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1084 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1241 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1298 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1133 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1098 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1100 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1085 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1160 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1097 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1257 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1091 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1004 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1134 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1173 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1115 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1201 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1178 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1156 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1198 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1034 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1281 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9892 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1187 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1363 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1080 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1220 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1264 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1321 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1167 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1356 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1326 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1319 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1741 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1533 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1050 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1136 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 725 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1304 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1142 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1141 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1023 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1058 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1338 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1006 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1100 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1251 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1303 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1169 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1236 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1013 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1080 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1018 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1103 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1046 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1198 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1136 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1010 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1208 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1121 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1089 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1161 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 971 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1186 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1142 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1173 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1690 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1084 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1204 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1160 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1180 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 976 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1099 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1034 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1016 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1035 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1224 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1255 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1196 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 982 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1187 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1249 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2400 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1006 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1042 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1022 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1167 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1130 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1050 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 1972 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1125 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1090 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1107 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1015 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1132 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1193 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2089 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1096 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 818 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1121 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1123 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1089 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1287 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1042 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 966 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1126 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1083 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1097 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1195 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1096 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 970 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1156 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1059 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1394 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1147 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1191 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1173 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 707 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1035 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1184 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1274 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1082 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1267 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1173 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1348 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1194 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 686 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1096 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1176 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1162 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1168 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8561 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1139 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1255 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1247 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1203 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1281 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1228 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1362 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1113 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1136 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1203 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1119 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1057 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1339 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 775 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1104 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 682 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1004 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 720 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1034 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1138 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1256 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1023 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1278 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1193 Views

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