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Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much Larry Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM
Like Roberts you seem to be missing the point. It's not about obsession, it's about enjoying something despite it's flaws.

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The point I'm making is that Jordan went very deep into building a world, rather than creating a skeleton of a world and leaving it as "good enough". Poor public education is a whole other topic.


But when someone points out perceived flaws and doesn't praise what you praise, it's okay to roast that person without giving due consideration to what s/he has observed?

I think you missed out on the fun a few years ago of the "great clodding foot of nerdism" that another author, M. John Harrison, wrote in regards to "worldbuilding." Sometimes, less is more and more is much, much less.

I'd be careful not to confuse regulars at fansites with casual readers who tend to make up the majority of the readership of any book/series. And to be honest, I seem to recall thinking that having characters that were pretty much stereotypes was not clever, but rather an annoying character development shortcut.

I'm highly aware that the fan-site membership is representative of the fringe readers. However, I think you would be very surprised by the amount of data that can be taken from a sample of online readers who participate in forum discussion. The very fact that Jordan has so many dedicated fan-sites, is an indicator that a larger portion of his readers are more invested than someone like Roberts, who may be a technically better writer, but lacks a passionate fan base. That is a tale in and of itself. And for the record I have had many conversations with casual readers, most of whom can spout off amazing factoids about many WOT subjects. If you've spent 20 years reading a collection of novels you tend to retain quite a bit.


Or it's just a sign that he wrote MOR fantasy that most readers read as an equivalent of a popcorn flick. They don't want or care to think too much about it. Similar to how most of Terry Goodkind's readers are not supporters of his Objectivist-leaning thoughts, despite those opinions shaping several of his SoT novels.

Spending 20 years reading a series is not my idea of a fun time. Have too many books to review, short fiction to read for anthologies, and translations to be done in my spare time to spend too much time on any particular author or literary genre. But if that floats your boat, OK, but I just wouldn't think that would be SOP for most readers.


Oh, I'll agree there's a "weight" to it, but I don't quite share your appreciation for it, unfortunately. It was an interesting tale at one point (or else I wouldn't bother commenting on it), but the weight of its narrative and structural problems lessened that enjoyment to the point that I haven't read any of the first nine novels in nearly 10 years and the last three only once each, with little desire for a re-read of any. What you highlight as positives end up being negatives for me. I guess the internet acronym of YMMV is applicable here.

Then why continue to read it? Seems like a waste of energy and time to read something you don't enjoy. I can simply say that perhaps you need to get out of your head and let yourself enjoy the story. The more you bog yourself down with being irritated by poor syntax or literary devices you don't like the less you take away from the enjoyment of a rich storyline. Perhaps try listening to the audio books, I've recently downloaded a few of them (I've never listened to an audio book before mind you) and have found a rather different experience... some good, some not.


Like I said before, I don't spend much time on it. I read CoT in 2006, KoD and TGS in 2009 only because I received a review copy from Tor a week before the release date. I reviewed the former in a much more snarky fashion than Roberts has shown to date, in large part due to dares from a few regulars at wotmania, including Dom, incidentally. The other two were read just so I could review the book on time. Although I was pleasantly surprised by TGS, it was far from the best read I had in 2009 (for what I did like, you can always click on the link below) and that's chalked up to personal preferences and knowledge of what's available.

It is quite amusing how some think that just because one pays closer attention to how a story is constructed that s/he cannot appreciate the story being told as well. I'd argue that in several cases, the enjoyment can be heightened from being more aware of these things. I heard the audio samples and thought they were tedious. Of course, I can finish the typical book in about 2-3 hours if I decide to spend that much time on a work, so the audio parts tend to be too slow for my liking :P

Not to knock you for your reading preferences, but why don't you try other stories? Reading only one or a small handful of authors I would think would be very limiting on one's enjoyment of fiction.

Generally speaking I find other Fantasy and most Sci-fi bland and oddly unimaginative. I tend to mostly read non-fiction.

I used to read a lot of Fantasy, and have a few favorites that I still pick up from time to time, but over the years I've gotten board with an increasingly formulaic category of books. Perhaps Jordan is somewhat responsible for that :)


Then you aren't reading enough types of fantasy, then. The books I mention in that link are very, very different from epic fantasies.

I think one of the reasons I enjoy Jordan so much is I can see how much effort he put into building each character, each nation etc... I find most other Fantasy authors to be rather lazy in that regard. Perhaps it's my age, when I was in my 20s I enjoyed the adventure aspects of Fantasy and read much more widely in the genre, in my 30s I've gotten more into depth of character and have had little luck in Fantasy, as I'm creep up on my 40s I find that fiction in general holds little appeal to me, I'd rather read a historical text or a research study!


I burned out on the research parts 13 years ago, after I earned my MA in History :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9887 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2051 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1819 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1986 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 883 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1368 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1918 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 859 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1448 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1386 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 749 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1729 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1280 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1273 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1284 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1268 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1623 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 843 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1443 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1479 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1266 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1220 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1263 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 843 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 702 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1358 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1287 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1169 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1208 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1072 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1228 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1118 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1041 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1130 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1187 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1239 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1253 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1305 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1305 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1285 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1219 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1093 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1326 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1194 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1218 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1047 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1180 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1290 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1176 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1533 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1114 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1310 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 863 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1282 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1178 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1157 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1132 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1259 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1184 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1242 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1214 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1247 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1098 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1091 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1166 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1212 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1213 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1135 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1152 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1104 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1103 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1269 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1327 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1161 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1123 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1124 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1112 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1186 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1123 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1282 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1120 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1029 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1163 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1197 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1142 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1228 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1206 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1183 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1222 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1061 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1311 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9928 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1217 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1391 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1106 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1247 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1291 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1344 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1193 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1388 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1352 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1347 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1769 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1571 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1073 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1164 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 749 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1335 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1167 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1167 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1047 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1083 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1363 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1039 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1129 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1280 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1334 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1196 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1266 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1038 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1116 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1045 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1134 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1070 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1229 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1163 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1039 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1234 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1143 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1113 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1188 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1000 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1212 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1170 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1197 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1713 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1111 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1232 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1195 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1204 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 998 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1124 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1058 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1046 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1060 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1256 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1278 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1223 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1018 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1220 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1271 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2427 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1028 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1071 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1045 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1195 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1166 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1074 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 1998 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1151 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1119 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1133 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1041 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1158 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1220 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2117 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1125 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 837 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1148 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1153 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1113 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1314 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1069 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 991 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1162 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1107 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1124 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1220 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1119 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 997 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1180 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1088 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1424 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1173 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1220 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1205 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 730 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1059 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1208 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1307 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1110 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1291 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1208 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1377 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1223 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 709 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1129 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1203 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1186 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1204 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8592 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1163 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1288 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1271 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1229 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1309 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1252 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1391 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1132 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1165 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1228 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1140 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1075 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1367 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 794 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1125 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 697 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1027 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 741 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1057 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1164 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1281 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1043 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1312 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1219 Views

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