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Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much Larry Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM
Like Roberts you seem to be missing the point. It's not about obsession, it's about enjoying something despite it's flaws.

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The point I'm making is that Jordan went very deep into building a world, rather than creating a skeleton of a world and leaving it as "good enough". Poor public education is a whole other topic.


But when someone points out perceived flaws and doesn't praise what you praise, it's okay to roast that person without giving due consideration to what s/he has observed?

I think you missed out on the fun a few years ago of the "great clodding foot of nerdism" that another author, M. John Harrison, wrote in regards to "worldbuilding." Sometimes, less is more and more is much, much less.

I'd be careful not to confuse regulars at fansites with casual readers who tend to make up the majority of the readership of any book/series. And to be honest, I seem to recall thinking that having characters that were pretty much stereotypes was not clever, but rather an annoying character development shortcut.

I'm highly aware that the fan-site membership is representative of the fringe readers. However, I think you would be very surprised by the amount of data that can be taken from a sample of online readers who participate in forum discussion. The very fact that Jordan has so many dedicated fan-sites, is an indicator that a larger portion of his readers are more invested than someone like Roberts, who may be a technically better writer, but lacks a passionate fan base. That is a tale in and of itself. And for the record I have had many conversations with casual readers, most of whom can spout off amazing factoids about many WOT subjects. If you've spent 20 years reading a collection of novels you tend to retain quite a bit.


Or it's just a sign that he wrote MOR fantasy that most readers read as an equivalent of a popcorn flick. They don't want or care to think too much about it. Similar to how most of Terry Goodkind's readers are not supporters of his Objectivist-leaning thoughts, despite those opinions shaping several of his SoT novels.

Spending 20 years reading a series is not my idea of a fun time. Have too many books to review, short fiction to read for anthologies, and translations to be done in my spare time to spend too much time on any particular author or literary genre. But if that floats your boat, OK, but I just wouldn't think that would be SOP for most readers.


Oh, I'll agree there's a "weight" to it, but I don't quite share your appreciation for it, unfortunately. It was an interesting tale at one point (or else I wouldn't bother commenting on it), but the weight of its narrative and structural problems lessened that enjoyment to the point that I haven't read any of the first nine novels in nearly 10 years and the last three only once each, with little desire for a re-read of any. What you highlight as positives end up being negatives for me. I guess the internet acronym of YMMV is applicable here.

Then why continue to read it? Seems like a waste of energy and time to read something you don't enjoy. I can simply say that perhaps you need to get out of your head and let yourself enjoy the story. The more you bog yourself down with being irritated by poor syntax or literary devices you don't like the less you take away from the enjoyment of a rich storyline. Perhaps try listening to the audio books, I've recently downloaded a few of them (I've never listened to an audio book before mind you) and have found a rather different experience... some good, some not.


Like I said before, I don't spend much time on it. I read CoT in 2006, KoD and TGS in 2009 only because I received a review copy from Tor a week before the release date. I reviewed the former in a much more snarky fashion than Roberts has shown to date, in large part due to dares from a few regulars at wotmania, including Dom, incidentally. The other two were read just so I could review the book on time. Although I was pleasantly surprised by TGS, it was far from the best read I had in 2009 (for what I did like, you can always click on the link below) and that's chalked up to personal preferences and knowledge of what's available.

It is quite amusing how some think that just because one pays closer attention to how a story is constructed that s/he cannot appreciate the story being told as well. I'd argue that in several cases, the enjoyment can be heightened from being more aware of these things. I heard the audio samples and thought they were tedious. Of course, I can finish the typical book in about 2-3 hours if I decide to spend that much time on a work, so the audio parts tend to be too slow for my liking :P

Not to knock you for your reading preferences, but why don't you try other stories? Reading only one or a small handful of authors I would think would be very limiting on one's enjoyment of fiction.

Generally speaking I find other Fantasy and most Sci-fi bland and oddly unimaginative. I tend to mostly read non-fiction.

I used to read a lot of Fantasy, and have a few favorites that I still pick up from time to time, but over the years I've gotten board with an increasingly formulaic category of books. Perhaps Jordan is somewhat responsible for that :)


Then you aren't reading enough types of fantasy, then. The books I mention in that link are very, very different from epic fantasies.

I think one of the reasons I enjoy Jordan so much is I can see how much effort he put into building each character, each nation etc... I find most other Fantasy authors to be rather lazy in that regard. Perhaps it's my age, when I was in my 20s I enjoyed the adventure aspects of Fantasy and read much more widely in the genre, in my 30s I've gotten more into depth of character and have had little luck in Fantasy, as I'm creep up on my 40s I find that fiction in general holds little appeal to me, I'd rather read a historical text or a research study!


I burned out on the research parts 13 years ago, after I earned my MA in History :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 10113 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2131 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1884 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2074 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 943 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1444 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1988 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 906 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1524 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1460 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 798 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1812 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1351 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1344 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1361 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1342 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1694 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 903 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1512 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1550 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1335 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1299 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1332 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 885 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 756 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1425 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1358 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1226 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1276 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1148 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1290 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1183 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1095 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1201 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1254 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1319 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1323 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1368 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1361 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1364 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1291 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1177 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1403 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1260 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1282 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1084 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1251 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1360 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1233 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1599 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1170 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1377 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 914 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1356 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1236 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1230 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1196 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1327 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1254 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1307 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1281 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1328 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1166 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1171 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1235 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1282 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1279 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1198 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1229 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1185 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1180 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1333 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1404 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1224 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1192 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1193 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1184 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1255 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1193 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1348 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1197 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1103 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1237 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1262 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1212 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1300 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1272 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1254 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1297 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1127 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1388 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9999 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1294 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1458 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1178 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1322 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1364 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1410 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1260 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1452 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1422 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1409 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1837 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1643 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1140 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1225 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 805 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1401 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1224 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1234 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1119 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1148 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1432 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1102 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1208 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1360 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1395 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1263 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1333 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1107 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1187 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1115 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1191 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1140 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1308 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1237 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1104 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1303 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1208 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1193 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1253 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1068 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1286 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1240 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1258 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1769 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1177 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1305 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1264 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1272 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1071 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1203 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1136 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1124 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1132 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1320 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1347 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1294 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1084 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1297 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1341 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2493 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1097 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1141 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1120 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1258 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1231 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1141 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2067 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1219 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1189 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1206 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1111 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1226 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1287 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2203 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1194 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 889 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1215 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1232 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1185 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1400 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1136 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1048 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1236 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1183 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1202 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1301 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1195 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1068 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1260 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1142 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1491 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1238 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1299 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1277 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 773 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1124 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1291 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1389 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1182 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1370 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1277 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1465 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1301 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 763 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1204 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1269 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1259 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1277 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8681 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1227 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1354 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1342 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1303 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1379 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1321 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1459 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1200 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1227 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1301 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1214 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1139 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1440 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 840 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1189 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 749 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1099 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 787 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1127 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1232 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1343 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1114 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1391 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1276 Views

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