Active Users:368 Time:27/04/2024 06:26:45 AM
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. Larry Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM
That does not matter. he could have ever single writing award ever given in the last 1,000 years in his shirt pocket, with a Nobel Prize on his wall and it would not change the fact that his "review" is complete crap. Pointing out his awards is like countering the argument that Farah Fawcett couldn't act by saying she is pretty. It is not relevant.



Ever heard of the acronym "YMMV"? For me, there were some good insights in those reviews. For you, yes it may have been "crap," but then again, you aren't presuming to speak for others, are you? I know I'm only speaking for myself here.

But I note the awards only to point out that a) he is a novelist as well as a critic and professor and b) he is highly regarded by quite a few SF writers as well as by critics. Some things do hold greater weight than others, unfortunate as that may be in some cases.

Thoreau is crittically accalimed and I find his writings to be those of a pompus ass with no value; Thomas Hardy is considered to be one of the "greats" and I find him to be completely unreadable, and more worthy of the "fluff packing" criticism than Jordan ever was.


Good for you. Won't offer you a cookie though, since it's past lunch and I'm starting to feel a bit hungry now.

Bottom line is, if you don't like it, don't read it. However, judging by the number of books sold. The number of #1 Bestselelrs in the series, well... I get the impression that Adam Roberts could only wish to sell as many. Heck Robert Adams sold more than him, AND he has a much better sense of humor.


For some people, it isn't the amount of books sold as long as you enjoy the work and make a decent living. I would imagine that Roberts would be more content with having written well-regarded novels and literary theory pieces on SF (his The History of Science Fiction is a worthy book for debate; I disagreed with several elements included in there, but saw it as a positive development in the emerging field of professional SF literary criticism) and teaching as an English professor than he would writing the sort of "mass extruded product" that tends to lower the estimation of genre fiction to that of the old pulps. But tastes vary and de gustibus non est disputandum, no?

Additionally, according to Wikki (and several other sources) he has been nominated for 2 awards (both on his first novel, wining neither, and nothing since). Douglas Adams won twice the number of awards that Adam Roberts has been nominated for. None of which means anything. Meanwhile RJ was nominated for 12 awards and won 2. This, of course, is in addition to the 2 REAL awards he earned in his life; a DFC and Bronze Star. There is no comparison. Between Jordan's and Adams' writing carrer. RJ will be remembered and inspire future generations of writers, while Roberts is an academic footnote.


You misread that, I see. Two nominations for two different books and that award being the Arthur C. Clarke Award, the UK fandom equivalent to the WorldCon's Hugo Award. It is considered to be one of the top four English-language genre awards a SF/F novel could receive. Now having read the Wiki for RJ, I fail to see these "12 nominations and 2 awards won." If such exist, it certainly isn't for any of the Big 4 (Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy, Arthur C. Clarke) with which I'm a bit familiar. The other information is extraneous and only serves to underscore the point that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. Stop it.

Have a Nice Day

(which, by the way, probably sold more copies than Mr Roberts entire body of work and was a #1 Bestseller by yet another author with a better sense of humor).


Well, at least we share an appreciation for Mick Foley, I see ;)
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
Reply to message
Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 11965 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2719 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 2498 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2686 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1306 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1992 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2637 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1261 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2092 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2020 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1137 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2393 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1925 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1925 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1903 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1907 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2313 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1471 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2083 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2086 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1907 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1872 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1919 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1215 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1087 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1968 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1910 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1784 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1854 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1750 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1820 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1715 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1638 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1764 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1776 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1936 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1878 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1944 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1921 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1231 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 1880 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 1828 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1912 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1875 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1726 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1970 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1846 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1805 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1398 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1780 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1890 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1748 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2169 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1674 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1893 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1241 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1888 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1790 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1737 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1724 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1854 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1760 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1805 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1790 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1947 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1677 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1671 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1737 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1833 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1785 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1742 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1756 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1736 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1745 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1867 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1982 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1735 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1702 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1755 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1668 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1790 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1716 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1889 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1723 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1651 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1867 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1766 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1738 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1833 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1754 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1782 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1853 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1666 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1956 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10521 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1844 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1998 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1724 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1846 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1883 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1937 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1810 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1952 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1928 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2005 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2343 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2162 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1637 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1757 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1109 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1932 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1750 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1743 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1606 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1659 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1955 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1629 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1730 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1916 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1934 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1801 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1876 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1629 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1735 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1649 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1723 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1725 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1859 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1734 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1614 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1837 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1762 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1693 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1748 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1589 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1832 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1784 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1795 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2353 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1773 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1802 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1761 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1804 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1601 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1738 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1634 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1667 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1726 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1839 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1882 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1857 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1578 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1854 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1871 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3007 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1603 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1676 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1634 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1779 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1739 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1655 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2579 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1756 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1720 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1738 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1758 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1769 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1804 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2722 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1739 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1204 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1699 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1722 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1680 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2129 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1651 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1575 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1758 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1754 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1749 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1856 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1794 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1603 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1795 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1684 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2048 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1809 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1845 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1873 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1066 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1657 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1875 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2007 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1722 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1901 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1793 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2051 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1895 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1063 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1768 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1836 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1804 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1849 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9254 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1773 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1856 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1882 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1884 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1917 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1869 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2003 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1715 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1756 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1819 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1741 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1918 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1946 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1130 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1719 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1056 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1665 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1186 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1651 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1811 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1819 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1683 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2030 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1811 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1066 Views

Reply to Message