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Little late to this one as well Larry Send a noteboard - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM

The author has made it clear he doesn't like the series. Should we subject our board to twelve highly negative reviews? The more I read his reviews, the more it's apparent that he's decided from the onset to tear the series to piece. There's no positive to the negative, and some of his criticisms are completely absurd.

I'm kind of hoping that lots of people complain about this thread so that I can lock it.

First, I've kept this all in this one post.

Second, there are some valid points contained within here. Do you want to shut down any discussion of his points just because you disagree with them?

Third, what are the "absurd" points? I think that might make for an interesting counterpoint discussion here.

Fourth, why would you "hope" that, Mark? Do you want me to stop posting about a different viewpoint to this series that another author is presenting elsewhere? Because I suppose I could blog about it and get a wider range of opinions from fans and non-fans alike than if there is a desire from the leadership here for there to be nothing but condemnation here.

Essentially we're supposed to be a collection of fans of RJ's work. There's really no point putting up reviews about why other authors don't like the work we voluntarily choose to spend time admiring. It's exactly as inane as posting about why you hate stamps on a stamp collector's site, and while it may be factual to read and logical to bring other views about the hobby, it starts to get on everybody's nerves after the tenth time, or twelfth as it will soon be.


Please don't take this the wrong way, but I honestly thought this section was a sop to those who wanted a dedicated author board on a newly-created general fantasy site, so I didn't consider the possibility that civil, polite discussions of negative reviews (or of reader observations) of the series were frowned upon. I understand putting a tamper on flame war bits, but your initial comment in this subthread seemed to equate this thread with much more nasty pieces that had been posted at wotmania and perhaps here as well over the past 12 years. Most other general fantasy sites that I frequent tend to have positive/negative aspects on authors' works, including inside subforums for those authors (provided of course that some sense of civility is maintained). But I guess interpretations vary between forums.

Other posters have responded in detail to his increasingly silly reviews, most notably DomA who gave the professor the academic condemnation he deserves, so there's really no need for me to voice my opinion. While I agree with some of his earlier points, it should be obvious even to an amateur reader that he's becoming increasingly nasty and even less factually correct with each review. There are many aspects of the series he completely doesn't understand, and even though he's a renowned writer, he himself admits he skims the books. An expert on cars who jumps in and then out and writes a review on it. Nothing to be admired really. He's clearly on a roll, and he's fueled by the malignancy of other disdainful posters who cheer him on. His only real goal is to make the next review a one-up in sarcasm and one-liners compared to the previous one. A troll, albeit a gilded one.


Or rather, it's a review of a series taken from a casual viewpoint. It's not his professional review blog that he's posting reviews of these books and several others, but his personal one where he's said in the past that he's going to be very conversational and not very formal in how he approaches writing the reviews. While that certainly is going to leave gaps there that those near-fanatical readers (you know, the ones who spend countless hours "theorizing" about elements that the vast majority of readers barely stop to consider for a moment) are going to pick apart, it is interesting to see what a casual reader (and especially, in this case, another published author and English professor) makes of the series. Some of the comments will be spot-on, others will provide bones of contention. Nature of the beast. Don't think he's a "troll" for giving his honest opinion and keeping it to his blog, nor would I consider myself one for thinking there are discussable points here, regardless of how much or how little one may agree with his points.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 9779 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2033 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1801 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 1964 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 867 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1350 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 1896 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 841 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1418 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1363 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 737 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1712 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1255 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1250 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1263 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1253 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1602 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 826 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1419 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1460 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1241 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1191 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1245 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 824 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 685 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1339 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1261 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1147 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1181 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1054 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1203 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1095 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1023 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1108 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1168 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1218 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1229 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1283 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1275 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1266 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1194 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1062 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1306 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1177 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1198 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1030 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1162 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1274 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1158 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1517 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1097 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1293 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 849 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1266 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1159 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1138 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1109 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1244 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1166 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1220 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1199 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1230 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1078 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1076 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1144 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1194 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1192 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1117 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1137 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1069 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1089 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1250 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1307 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1140 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1104 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1104 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1092 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1169 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1107 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1265 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1098 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1012 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1146 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1180 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1125 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1209 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1189 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1164 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1202 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1041 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1292 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 9899 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1195 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1369 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1086 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1229 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1272 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1327 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1173 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1365 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1334 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1328 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1750 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1543 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1056 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1142 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 732 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1312 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1150 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1148 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1027 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1065 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1346 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1017 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1112 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1263 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1313 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1176 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1244 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1021 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1092 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1029 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1107 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1053 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1206 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1144 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1017 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1214 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1128 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1096 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1172 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 977 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1196 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1148 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1181 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1697 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1092 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1211 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1169 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1188 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 982 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1107 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1042 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1025 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1043 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1234 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1261 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1201 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 992 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1197 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1255 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2408 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1012 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1050 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1029 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1175 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1139 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1058 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 1980 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1134 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1101 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1115 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1025 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1138 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1199 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2096 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1103 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 821 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1128 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1133 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1094 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1297 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1051 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 973 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1139 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1089 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1104 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1204 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1103 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 976 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1163 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1063 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1403 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1155 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1202 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1185 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 714 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1041 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1193 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1283 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1091 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1275 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1189 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1360 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1205 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 692 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1109 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1186 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1170 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1180 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8568 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1144 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1265 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1256 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1212 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1291 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1236 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1373 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1120 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1146 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1208 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1126 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1061 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1348 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 781 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1109 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 689 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1013 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 728 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1041 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1141 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1263 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1027 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1287 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1200 Views

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