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Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. Silence_DoGood Send a noteboard - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM
You can spare everyone a long winded explanation on the differences between the two though. You could have posted this anywhere, and perhaps you did, but the fact that you revived it, suggests that you want to start an argument and nothing more. However, I'll indulge you because I like to debate.

Is Robert Jordan the best writer ever? No. Is the Wheel of Time the best piece of fiction ever written? No. However, it has to be judged by what it is, and not what it is not, and what it is is "escapism." When you look upon it as a piece of escapism fiction, then you'll be hard pressed to find a better series, or for that fact a better author. Sure you and everyone else can rattle off other authors, and other books but the numbers speak for themselves. Robert Jordan and the Wheel of Time are king.

Robert Jordan was able to tap into something that a lot of people crave. We live in a world where we're always at work, we're always on call, we're always connected in some way. We have our cellphones in our pockets, and those phones not only receive phone calls, but emails, text messages, and photos. We have the Internet, Twitter, and Facebook, so we can be knowledgeable about everything, and everyone at all times.

As a society we work long hours, and have only a small amount of time to play. I myself work between 60-65 hours a week, and it is common for me to have to deal with problems, not only on my days off, but when I'm on vacation too. All the new technology that comes out that's supposed to make our lives easier, in other ways complicates our lives too.

At the end of the day, people have to decide how to relax, some go to the bar, others watch TV, others movies, but some read books. The majority of the books that I read are Non-Fiction, and of the Fiction that I read a smaller percentage of that is Fantasy.

When I do decide to read a fantasy novel, I'm not looking for an authors view of plant rights, animal rights, gay rights, or human rights, nor do I want to think about terrorists, bombing, or government activities. I want to forget all about that.

Basically, if I read that some author is "using" fantasy to "explore" an issue, then I won't read it. You know why? Because at the heart of it, their just an author with an opinion. Not much different than myself, so if I want to read about global warming, and whether or not it exists, then I'd rather read it without the dragons and magic.

Growing up there was a product for women called Calgon, and their motto was, "Calgon take me away." That's what I'm looking for when I decide to read a fantasy novel. To escape, to get away from the world for a while. That is what the Wheel of Time is about. That is what Robert Jordan meant it to be. To look upon it as anything else, is not to understand what your reading. Surely, your smart enough to understand that.

Let me put it this way. Right now you're all, "Rah Rahing" Adam Roberts and how he reviewed the Wheel of Time. I'm assuming though, that if your work of fiction were reviewed, and judged as escapism, that it would easily fall short. Then of course, you'd probably be upset because we were not smart enough to realize that what you wrote wasn't meant to be escapism, but something different entirely.

In the end, no ones saying that Adam Roberts can't be critical of Jordan. Neither is anyone saying that you can't agree with him. Judging by the amount of comments in this thread, no ones even saying that you can't post it and talk about it. (OK, some people have said it, but the administrators aren't stopping you.) However, with all that being said, none of that makes you right...



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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13684 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3583 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3552 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3561 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1778 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2865 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3591 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1697 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2967 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2847 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1561 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3204 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2755 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2890 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2748 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2749 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3217 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1898 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2927 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2936 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2752 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2794 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2815 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1629 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1488 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2826 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2766 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2650 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2714 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2679 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2645 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2574 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2506 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2658 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2688 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2844 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2746 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2796 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2776 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1643 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2702 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2692 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2791 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2748 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2575 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2817 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2730 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2674 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1811 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2671 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2762 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2583 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 3086 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2508 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2781 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1658 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2797 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2606 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2573 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2552 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2762 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2603 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2623 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2659 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2827 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2564 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2505 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2548 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2655 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2618 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2611 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2610 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2518 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2594 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2690 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2823 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2538 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2557 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2541 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2467 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2636 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2557 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2724 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2565 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2547 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2757 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2625 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2639 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2727 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2570 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2612 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2694 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2527 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2858 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11366 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2676 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2838 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2582 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2686 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2739 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2808 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2687 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2785 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2792 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2860 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3194 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 3040 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2494 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2637 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1532 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2751 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2643 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2576 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2445 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2469 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2806 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2469 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2517 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2760 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2804 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2684 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2705 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2499 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2562 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2495 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2581 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2605 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2728 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2610 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2517 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2681 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2717 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2558 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2623 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2444 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2682 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2604 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2627 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3170 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2647 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2653 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2636 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2648 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2465 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2624 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2497 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2526 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2596 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2704 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2704 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2665 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2415 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2762 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2745 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3865 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2408 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2571 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2456 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2666 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2636 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2579 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3430 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2654 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2606 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2624 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2624 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2585 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2716 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3557 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2583 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1623 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2508 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2594 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2540 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2969 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2485 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2402 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2621 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2603 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2572 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2672 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2590 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2416 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2630 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2565 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2877 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2667 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2684 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2741 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1470 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2486 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2758 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2847 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2591 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2734 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2571 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2901 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2727 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1465 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2623 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2705 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2619 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2717 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10204 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2652 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2684 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2698 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2715 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2730 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2662 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2836 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2504 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2559 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2586 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2518 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2796 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2754 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1547 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2558 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1451 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2500 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1577 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2472 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2669 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2665 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2558 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2978 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2685 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1476 Views

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