Well, Roberts is known for his snark in reviews, which I did note when I posted this thread originally

Can I claim RJ is known for his long winded stories, and that should be evident given the lengths of the books?

Snark is all very well, but when that all there is, calling his pieces reviews or commentaries seems silly to me. Its like submitting all those Goodkind threads on Westeros (I don't know why, but that comparison just keeps coming back to me) as a PhD thesis on The Sword of Truth!
And yes, some of his complaints are repetitive, but perhaps some of those are due to certain perceived "defects" cropping up throughout the series? The prose certainly never gets to the "sparkling" level at any point that I recall; it did feel a bit padded throughout, to be honest. That is something that could be raised as a point about each individual volume. Whether you agree with it or not is a different matter 

Of course there are criticisms that will run common to all the books. If I were to review them, I'd have positive things to say that will repeat too. But the overall structure of review is more or less the same, with more or less the same set of complaints, with barely anything new being added by the reviewer. If the point being made is that all the books are padded, full of clumsy prose and completely lifted-off from various authors the reviewer has read, then why have 12 reviews? Wouldn't one review after all the books are done with be better?
It isn't like there aren't other elements he cannot comment about. Even if he wants to be exclusively negative about the books, there are issues he has barely raised which many other readers have complained about. What about a look at the gender imbalances portrayed in the books? That is pretty glaringly obvious by this book. Is Jordan's whole premise ridiculous? Or is it just shoddy execution?
What about the whole savior-as-destroyer aspect of Rand that becomes so obvious in this book? Far from Jordan's invention or anything, but certainly a departure from the Tolkein-spawn fantasies of the time.
And for someone who admittedly read it hurriedly, that's grounds for dismissing his point that there are indeed those similarities? It's little different than reviewers of various epic fantasy works noting the similarities (and possible derivations) between works. Yes, it is quite likely RJ wanted to have those similarities in there to serve a different purpose than what Roberts appears to concede, but there are quite a few of them, if I recall.
Come, this is a ridiculous argument. If you gave a student a copy of the Silmarillion to review, and he skimmed through it and all he could say is that the whole fall of Morgoth story was similar to Paradise Lost, you're not going to excuse him are you?
The Dune parallels are there. So are the parallels to the Jains, and a host of others. Almost certainly, some of these also played a part in Herbert's own portrayal of the Fremen. But Robert's chose the intellectually lazy way out and simply pointed out the easy parallel.
Why then is his review in any way worthy of reading or commenting upon? The author clearly has no time for the book, no time to read it, no time to think about it a little before commenting. What then makes it different from the host of Amazon reviews out there except the length and the admittedly better language? Are we to read this because it is a good review, or because a Cambridge professor and author with a penchant for snark decided he needed a book to deride?
I think it's more of a case where there is a more graphic description of warfare and suffering (and quasi-bondage scenes later in the series) than there is a deeper exploration of the coming-of-age issues that the characters have. The emotional/romance/love parts are perhaps a weak PG compared to the PG-13 to almost R-rated violence. That is something that is interesting, to say the least. But it's probably been discussed to death here over the years, I guess?
Not really, because, as FT pointed out, in the new era of "gritty" fantasy, the Wheel of Time is fairly tame when it comes to violence.
The few times there is sex on screen, the issue is skirted about, yes. While it is certainly worth exploring why Jordan felt he needed to do that, while showing a greater (but nowhere close to gratuitous) level of detail with the violence, that is not what Robert's talks about at all. He is evidently bored by the fight scenes, which are way below the lofty levels in which his nose resides. But some raunchy sex would do very well, thank you.
It seems to me you are almost projecting your own (reasonable and more authentic, because you actually read the book) critique of the book on the Robert's review.
Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT.
19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM
- 12743 Views
Heh, While I agree with him about it being derivative, I still encourage people to read it.
20/03/2010 02:36:47 AM
- 2447 Views
My problem with the reviews:
20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM
- 3094 Views
Hear Hear !!!
.......................
=
........................ *NM*
20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM
- 1460 Views



well I agree and disagree
20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM
- 2841 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree
20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM
- 2362 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses
20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM
- 2771 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ?
20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM
- 2506 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes
20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM
- 2512 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ?
21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM
- 2333 Views
My sister called me chicken once
10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM
- 2385 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses
23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM
- 2420 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response
24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM
- 2347 Views

On a completely unrelated note...
24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM
- 2220 Views
Ha!
24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM
- 2257 Views

My congratulations then
. *NM*
24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM
- 2179 Views

Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series
22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM
- 2392 Views

There's a point to it?
22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM
- 2377 Views

Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM*
24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM
- 1425 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you?
24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM
- 2310 Views

I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place
24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM
- 2294 Views
And which, arguably, could be viewed as being done in a hackneyed way
24/03/2010 07:15:55 AM
- 2340 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening?
09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM
- 2360 Views
pfft wth-ever
26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM
- 2192 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was
26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM
- 2445 Views
bla bla bla
29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM
- 2312 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you
*NM*
29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM
- 1602 Views

You must have low standards for entertainment
29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM
- 2243 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment
29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM
- 2372 Views
I know you were, thus the
at the least of my comment
29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM
- 2194 Views


Unimpressed
29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM
- 2641 Views
Isn't that a bit uncharitable, Dom, considering how much you approved of what I did with CoT?
30/03/2010 12:03:48 AM
- 2652 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was
29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM
- 2341 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again.
29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM
- 2223 Views
Awards
29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM
- 2188 Views
That link is out of date
29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM
- 2176 Views
Re: That link is out of date
29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM
- 2298 Views
This is a battle of win/lose?
29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM
- 2222 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose?
29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM
- 2252 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense*
29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM
- 2234 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense*
29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM
- 2415 Views
The final point explains the "defense"
30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM
- 2126 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense"
30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM
- 2108 Views
No, no, no
30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM
- 2169 Views
Re: No, no, no
30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM
- 2294 Views
Still continuing, huh?
31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM
- 2242 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh?
31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM
- 2206 Views
He's now reviewed the third book
26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM
- 2430 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him
.
29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM
- 2157 Views

I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that
29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM
- 2149 Views
Hah!
29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM
- 2194 Views
Well...
29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM
- 2087 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess.
29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM
- 2270 Views
I suppose
29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM
- 2184 Views
Re: I suppose
30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM
- 2330 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue?
30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM
- 2136 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue?
30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM
- 2295 Views
But why only them?
30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM
- 2228 Views
The Shadow Rising review
02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM
- 2411 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling
02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM
- 10973 Views
That would be a mistake
02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM
- 2425 Views
Re: That would be a mistake
02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM
- 2182 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter
10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM
- 2301 Views
Little late to this one as well
10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM
- 2317 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit
10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM
- 2391 Views
I guess I just presumed that people would read the header to his blog
12/04/2010 03:54:10 AM
- 2234 Views

What review? I couldn't find one...
02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM
- 2385 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one...
02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM
- 2393 Views
See my comment below
02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM
- 2458 Views
Re: See my comment below
03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM
- 2794 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week
07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM
- 2639 Views
Speaking of irritation
02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM
- 2347 Views
To be fair, even among the RaFOers there have been tons of posts that missed certain events
09/04/2010 03:47:30 PM
- 2180 Views
Commentary, then?
02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM
- 2222 Views

Here's the thing...
02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM
- 2171 Views
Re: Here's the thing...
02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM
- 2009 Views
Re: Commentary, then?
05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM
- 2148 Views

for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work
08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM
- 2350 Views
1400 words is long-winded?
09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM
- 2395 Views

since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded
09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM
- 2260 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit
10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM
- 2304 Views
You are very defensive over this
10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM
- 2119 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else
12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM
- 2155 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts
07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM
- 2346 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes!
07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM
- 2204 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes!
08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM
- 2053 Views
Which Invisible Man?
09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM
- 2296 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner
08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM
- 2228 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much
09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM
- 2224 Views

Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much
09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM
- 2762 Views

Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much
10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM
- 2238 Views

why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts?
10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM
- 2255 Views
Not bothered as much as I am bemused by the ad hominems, to be honest
12/04/2010 04:11:12 AM
- 2557 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus
09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM
- 2219 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument...
09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM
- 2108 Views
Well, what was really resolved here?
10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM
- 2190 Views
Well...
12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM
- 2287 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then?
12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM
- 2278 Views
Yes...
12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM
- 2026 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon?
12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM
- 2342 Views
I guess...
13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM
- 2335 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest
13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM
- 3449 Views
Nah...
13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM
- 2025 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others
13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM
- 2116 Views
Ah, well...
13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM
- 2046 Views
Dismissive, much?
13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM
- 2237 Views

About that bifurcation...
14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM
- 2191 Views
Sorry that I was busy yesterday and didn't have a chance to reply until now
15/04/2010 01:46:54 PM
- 2344 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS.
09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM
- 2230 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary
16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM
- 2211 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven!
16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM
- 2100 Views
Yeah, I noticed that
16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM
- 2014 Views

I would love the see him review Goodkind...
16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM
- 2241 Views
I don't wish that on anyone who doesn't have copious amounts of alcohol
16/04/2010 11:57:41 PM
- 2158 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn?
23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM
- 2292 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn?
29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM
- 2223 Views
I disagree
29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM
- 2052 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary
07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM
- 2358 Views
Winter's Heart
21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM
- 2338 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read
21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM
- 2193 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read
25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM
- 2337 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot.
28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM
- 2198 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote:
28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM
- 2519 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him
25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM
- 2299 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake
25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM
- 9751 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark?
26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM
- 2219 Views
Oh come on...
26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM
- 2317 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much...
26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM
- 2301 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice...
26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM
- 2319 Views
And your point is...?
27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM
- 2321 Views
Well...
27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM
- 2291 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble
27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM
- 2455 Views
It's not about honour being beschmirched. It's about poor quality arguments. *NM*
30/03/2011 04:09:23 PM
- 1289 Views
One year later...
27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM
- 2149 Views
Re: One year later...
28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM
- 2392 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes.
28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM
- 2396 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM*
30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM
- 1335 Views
Jealous?
30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM
- 2155 Views
You both are jelous of Jordan's tremendous succes.
30/03/2011 10:27:36 PM
- 2177 Views
Please learn how to spell the word "jealous" before tossing it about in the cavalier fashion you do
30/03/2011 10:54:36 PM
- 2205 Views
The fact that you teach is supposed to be a surprise?
31/03/2011 01:23:45 PM
- 2134 Views
After reading the standard-issue checklist of generic, tossabout pejoratives...
01/04/2011 03:06:18 PM
- 2269 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM*
30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM
- 1250 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM*
30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM
- 1376 Views
Yep!
30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM
- 2096 Views

He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM*
30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM
- 1260 Views