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Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? Larry Send a noteboard - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM
I think it's pretty normal that most resolutions come in the last part of a series, not in the middle. That doesn't mean, though, that this middle part is unimportant. The thing is simply that WoT had an exceptional scope. One can compare this e.g. with Song of Ice & Fire or The Malazan Book of the Fallen. However, it's in my view dishonest to compare WoT with other works, which were simply constructed in a shorter way, and then critizise in the middle of the series that WoT is too long or pointless, that nothing happens or is ever resolved. It's like comparing a TV series like Lost with a 2 hours fantasy movie.


In that book of essays, he has a humorous bit about how to tell if a work is pornographic. If every single step along the way is detailed in laborious fashion, it may be pornographic. The level of detail in the WoT series approaches that level of graphicness. I'm not certain that the scope is any more "exceptional" than a compact, complex work such as Wolfe's "Solar Cycle," which ended up being 12 books, none of which were over 400 pages (and most under 300). It seems, again based on imperfect recall, that WoT is a much simpler story at heart than works like Wolfe's, but that it's been expanded well into the hundreds per volume just to have the quests last longer than most writers would find necessary for their works to flow well together. When whole volumes are little more than middles in which there are few to no mini-resolutions occurring, then wouldn't it be fair to note that instead of "exceptional scope," this series may just have suffered a bit of logorrhea?
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13333 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3367 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3269 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3316 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1650 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2630 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3311 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1586 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2764 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2651 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1440 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3009 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2557 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2639 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2525 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2535 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2974 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1782 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2674 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2719 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2558 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2513 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2582 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1526 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1378 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2613 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2542 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2418 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2499 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2470 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2449 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2382 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2280 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2446 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2480 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2618 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2543 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2593 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2580 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1530 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2486 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2486 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2542 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2532 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2354 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2623 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2520 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2466 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1703 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2466 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2567 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2385 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2861 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2297 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2571 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1531 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2588 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2414 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2369 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2349 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2516 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2383 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2435 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2427 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2617 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2341 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2283 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2359 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2460 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2400 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2384 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2402 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2325 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2377 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2488 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2611 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2318 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2333 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2344 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2260 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2452 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2353 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2491 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2340 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2336 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2517 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2419 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2393 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2491 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2371 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2403 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2486 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2342 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2616 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11151 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2482 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2634 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2379 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2494 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2508 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2605 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2479 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2566 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2579 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2645 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2974 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2839 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2291 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2439 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1422 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2537 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2415 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2365 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2211 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2269 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2569 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2262 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2330 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2553 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2591 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2466 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2489 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2293 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2352 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2276 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2366 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2394 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2519 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2407 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2269 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2473 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2492 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2360 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2391 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2234 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2463 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2407 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2415 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2952 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2422 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2419 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2406 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2436 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2254 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2409 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2274 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2301 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2391 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2510 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2506 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2483 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2200 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2541 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2534 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3647 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2218 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2335 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2252 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2452 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2418 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2307 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3209 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2450 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2400 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2417 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2404 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2406 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2498 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3334 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2369 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1492 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2313 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2394 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2335 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2786 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2267 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2209 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2431 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2410 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2375 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2454 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2394 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2226 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2439 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2367 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2678 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2465 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2483 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2544 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1365 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2287 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2528 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2630 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2387 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2531 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2369 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2701 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2513 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1358 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2424 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2482 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2428 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2513 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9983 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2430 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2494 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2496 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2495 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2528 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2463 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2644 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2321 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2373 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2389 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2329 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2568 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2563 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1429 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2350 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1342 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2305 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1465 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2280 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2459 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2460 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2362 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2737 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2477 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1354 Views

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