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About that bifurcation... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM
While it is true that the books explore a lot of minutia, much of that is concerned with the decor of the setting, the clothing of the characters, etc.

I seem to remember a memorable paragraph dedicated to the unbalanced nature of Egwene's chair in her tent, and how the experiences Sitters somehow managed to keep their balance despite sitting in similar stools (or bring their own sturdier ones).

Most of the descriptions of furniture (and the clothes too) are like that. Reflecting the situation of the character, but taking too much space to do so.

I don't mind it, many others are distracted by it a lot. But, critically, I have never come across someone who likes it. No one who has said this makes the series better or more interesting.

The plot itself diverges, of course, with many secondary, even tertiary characters being given points of views. And these are what fascinate many fans (to obsessive levels), not so much because they're interesting in and of themselves, but more because of how Jordan managed to tie these disparate story elements together. Sometimes in a predictable way (where the fan is satisfied he was clever enough to see it coming), and from the left field in other cases (where many prior instances of a character's appearance can take on a newer shade of meaning).

Essentially, once you get over the pedestrian prose and the over-descriptiveness (and the obvious pacing problems, of course), this is a damned good yarn. The characters are fun, and grow enough, and are consistent enough that you don't have to periodically smack your head. The world, due to the multitude of characters from so many different walks of life, lives and breathes (allowing for easy immersion), and there is enough thematic depth that this doesn't seem like total fluff.

Had Jordan been able to control the tendency to over-describe and take care of the pacing issues in the later books, this would have been a brilliant example of "lets see how long an interesting story can I write". It still qualifies, IMO, and certainly is the reason why I think it is such a commercial success.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13461 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3446 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3401 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3401 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1692 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2712 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3398 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1623 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2838 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2730 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1482 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3071 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2635 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2748 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2594 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2613 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3055 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1819 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2748 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2796 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2626 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2607 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2682 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1560 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1413 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2690 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2624 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2496 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2577 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2553 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2526 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2450 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2386 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2539 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2559 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2703 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2618 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2661 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2647 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1565 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2565 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2560 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2631 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2616 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2438 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2694 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2601 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2539 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1740 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2544 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2638 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2460 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2934 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2387 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2655 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1563 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2667 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2481 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2436 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2429 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2594 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2459 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2506 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2512 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2689 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2439 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2359 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2430 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2534 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2476 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2460 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2468 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2389 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2455 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2571 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2691 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2400 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2412 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2412 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2336 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2516 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2435 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2592 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2427 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2413 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2597 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2503 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2481 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2579 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2438 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2483 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2551 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2411 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2700 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11235 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2555 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2704 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2453 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2557 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2587 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2676 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2547 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2663 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2661 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2727 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3061 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2910 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2363 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2512 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1454 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2615 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2493 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2448 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2291 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2348 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2668 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2337 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2403 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2628 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2677 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2541 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2573 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2362 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2434 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2356 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2433 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2477 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2601 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2487 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2348 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2550 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2576 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2427 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2483 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2294 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2549 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2476 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2506 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3032 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2513 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2505 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2471 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2514 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2327 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2481 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2365 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2370 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2461 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2573 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2576 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2548 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2270 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2636 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2611 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3728 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2286 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2418 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2336 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2525 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2492 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2410 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3286 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2524 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2470 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2488 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2471 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2476 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2576 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3418 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2449 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1539 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2381 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2473 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2404 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2847 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2354 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2289 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2503 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2474 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2444 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2537 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2472 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2306 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2505 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2436 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2766 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2536 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2544 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2625 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1402 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2358 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2608 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2708 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2453 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2600 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2435 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2777 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2596 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1389 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2494 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2568 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2498 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2589 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10078 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2510 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2571 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2580 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2582 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2607 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2536 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2714 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2390 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2454 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2463 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2409 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2662 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2639 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1467 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2434 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1377 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2369 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1501 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2345 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2544 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2549 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2432 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2823 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2559 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1392 Views

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