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I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM
I am both irritated by how escapist it is, with it's over-reliance on overwrought descriptions and details, and I've always struggled with a feeling that this series just doesn't matter and it was wasting its' readers time and many trees besides.

I'm honestly not sure what to think of "Wheel of Time". To me, it hovers somewhere near the "Twilight Saga" level of average-ness. "WoT", in all it's immensity, simply "is", because there are so many books. It would be like taking "Star Trek" as an entire series and trying to rate it - certain episodes are extremely good, others are horrible and many of the movies are fit only for throwing in the trash.

Now, I think the problem with many of the fans of "WoT" is that they can't easily perceive exactly why this series is so annoying to so many people. Everyone seems to have multiple friends who started out reading this, and then dropped it, so it really seems to be a reflection more on the type of reader that wants this type of story versus having the story good on its' own merits. There are quite honestly books in this series which are so horribly boring and wretched that fans themselves have to implore less-convinced readers to continue on because "it gets better in the next book!". I'm not sure if that is damning praise or good advertising.

I'm just not sure where it stands overall, but then again, I've always had an ambiguous relationship to the series. I was a fan of channeling and the channelers for quite a long time, but I wasn't as intrigued by the worldbuilding overall. I could recite lists of Amyrlin Seats, their Ajahs and other boring minutiae but as soon as blademasters started prancing around or Ogier's ears started twitching, I would get annoyed.

Perhaps the thing that Prof. Adams doesn't understand that this story is more about things about RJ's views of men, women and fantasy worlds and his love for those same things, and less about writing high literature/well-wrought fantasy? I will say that what probably gives this series its' popularity. I find that reading these stories tends to be less about how "good" they are, and more about being able to form connections with other people that are quite deep. As an Egwene "fan", for example, I'm surprised by how acute the reaction I get from other readers in real life can be. These aren't mild reactions, but real dislike, often from the gut. Maybe this is what triggers so much dislike in certain readers - there are certain elements of RJ's world you just might not believe in, and to have an entire imaginary universe hinge on these elements might just be too maddening for some.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13566 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3502 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3475 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3470 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1724 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2776 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3488 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1656 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2901 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2775 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1517 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3125 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2689 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2807 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2655 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2663 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3114 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1849 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2816 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2861 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2680 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2674 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2740 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1586 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1442 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2747 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2678 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2557 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2630 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2603 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2582 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2501 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2433 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2590 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2616 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2761 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2674 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2723 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2696 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1598 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2624 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2612 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2694 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2669 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2490 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2749 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2651 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2596 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1770 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2602 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2687 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2515 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2992 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2435 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2715 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1601 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2717 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2536 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2499 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2484 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2663 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2507 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2556 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2568 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2744 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2494 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2411 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2481 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2581 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2536 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2520 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2524 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2440 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2516 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2619 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2748 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2457 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2475 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2464 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2388 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2570 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2479 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2642 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2474 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2470 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2664 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2558 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2547 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2628 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2493 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2538 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2612 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2465 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2758 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11280 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2605 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2757 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2504 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2616 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2643 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2725 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2605 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2718 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2716 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2773 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3119 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2960 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2420 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2560 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1480 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2674 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2553 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2501 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2361 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2400 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2732 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2392 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2453 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2684 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2731 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2593 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2632 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2419 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2482 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2409 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2491 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2530 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2655 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2538 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2413 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2599 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2641 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2482 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2539 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2355 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2603 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2535 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2560 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3085 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2565 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2559 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2534 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2562 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2377 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2537 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2418 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2436 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2515 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2623 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2633 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2592 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2324 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2687 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2668 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3789 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2335 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2479 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2390 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2583 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2544 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2487 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3345 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2572 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2523 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2534 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2540 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2524 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2638 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3472 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2509 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1568 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2434 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2512 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2452 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2896 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2406 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2345 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2552 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2540 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2502 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2591 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2529 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2346 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2554 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2497 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2814 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2603 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2605 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2675 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1433 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2411 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2678 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2770 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2519 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2663 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2488 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2829 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2655 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1422 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2547 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2622 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2552 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2649 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10133 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2572 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2625 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2632 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2644 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2654 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2590 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2763 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2446 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2503 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2511 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2456 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2714 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2687 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1498 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2488 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1411 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2422 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1529 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2401 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2601 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2603 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2482 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2897 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2620 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1421 Views

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