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well I agree and disagree Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM

I agree that the series drags on and that his books are 250 page books trying to be 750 page ones. RJ's worldbuilding has always been suicidally large, and it came back to haunt him at the end of the series, with the author himself declaring that he will truncate the series with one more book no matter what it takes. A clear sign of desperation when one is faced with hundreds of open plots that have never resolved.

On the other hand, infodump is something I don't agree with. Those are some of my favourite parts of the series, which is exactly why I like the Forsaken chapters. They explain RJ's world - i.e. the Age of Legends, the world as it is presently, and the One Power in detail. The critic's example of an infodump is Someshta's explanation of how the Eye was made, but there's nothing excessive about it, and it's rather important.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13411 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3407 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3346 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3364 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1676 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2677 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3357 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1609 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2804 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2692 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1464 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3045 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2605 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2717 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2567 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2584 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3023 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1804 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2721 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2767 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2596 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2552 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2634 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1544 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1400 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2654 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2587 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2466 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2543 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2517 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2499 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2421 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2337 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2487 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2517 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2670 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2590 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2631 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2617 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1551 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2533 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2531 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2584 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2578 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2403 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2664 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2562 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2510 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1725 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2510 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2610 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2424 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2905 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2351 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2620 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1547 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2638 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2451 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2408 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2399 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2567 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2430 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2482 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2477 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2652 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2407 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2327 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2397 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2508 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2448 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2427 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2442 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2362 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2425 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2538 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2659 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2365 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2379 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2387 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2306 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2491 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2412 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2541 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2398 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2382 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2558 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2464 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2434 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2539 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2410 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2453 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2526 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2380 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2669 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11203 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2525 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2676 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2425 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2531 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2558 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2642 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2520 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2631 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2623 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2697 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3026 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2878 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2341 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2478 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1440 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2583 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2459 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2409 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2257 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2307 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2627 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2308 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2369 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2593 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2637 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2509 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2536 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2335 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2388 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2321 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2402 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2445 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2565 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2458 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2313 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2523 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2543 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2402 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2439 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2271 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2505 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2446 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2477 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3006 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2480 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2471 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2447 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2477 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2296 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2448 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2332 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2341 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2435 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2547 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2549 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2519 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2242 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2597 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2581 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3702 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2259 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2380 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2303 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2500 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2458 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2377 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3253 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2493 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2443 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2455 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2440 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2450 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2542 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3379 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2415 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1519 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2350 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2436 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2373 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2818 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2321 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2258 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2479 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2448 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2418 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2497 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2444 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2271 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2478 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2406 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2733 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2505 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2519 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2586 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1389 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2336 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2575 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2679 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2427 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2575 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2401 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2744 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2555 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1374 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2462 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2534 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2464 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2555 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10042 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2474 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2543 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2540 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2542 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2571 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2502 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2685 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2358 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2425 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2434 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2378 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2625 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2606 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1447 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2392 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1364 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2340 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1484 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2316 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2507 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2514 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2402 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2781 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2529 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1374 Views

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