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Might want to re-read their Wikis again. Larry Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM
That does not matter. he could have ever single writing award ever given in the last 1,000 years in his shirt pocket, with a Nobel Prize on his wall and it would not change the fact that his "review" is complete crap. Pointing out his awards is like countering the argument that Farah Fawcett couldn't act by saying she is pretty. It is not relevant.



Ever heard of the acronym "YMMV"? For me, there were some good insights in those reviews. For you, yes it may have been "crap," but then again, you aren't presuming to speak for others, are you? I know I'm only speaking for myself here.

But I note the awards only to point out that a) he is a novelist as well as a critic and professor and b) he is highly regarded by quite a few SF writers as well as by critics. Some things do hold greater weight than others, unfortunate as that may be in some cases.

Thoreau is crittically accalimed and I find his writings to be those of a pompus ass with no value; Thomas Hardy is considered to be one of the "greats" and I find him to be completely unreadable, and more worthy of the "fluff packing" criticism than Jordan ever was.


Good for you. Won't offer you a cookie though, since it's past lunch and I'm starting to feel a bit hungry now.

Bottom line is, if you don't like it, don't read it. However, judging by the number of books sold. The number of #1 Bestselelrs in the series, well... I get the impression that Adam Roberts could only wish to sell as many. Heck Robert Adams sold more than him, AND he has a much better sense of humor.


For some people, it isn't the amount of books sold as long as you enjoy the work and make a decent living. I would imagine that Roberts would be more content with having written well-regarded novels and literary theory pieces on SF (his The History of Science Fiction is a worthy book for debate; I disagreed with several elements included in there, but saw it as a positive development in the emerging field of professional SF literary criticism) and teaching as an English professor than he would writing the sort of "mass extruded product" that tends to lower the estimation of genre fiction to that of the old pulps. But tastes vary and de gustibus non est disputandum, no?

Additionally, according to Wikki (and several other sources) he has been nominated for 2 awards (both on his first novel, wining neither, and nothing since). Douglas Adams won twice the number of awards that Adam Roberts has been nominated for. None of which means anything. Meanwhile RJ was nominated for 12 awards and won 2. This, of course, is in addition to the 2 REAL awards he earned in his life; a DFC and Bronze Star. There is no comparison. Between Jordan's and Adams' writing carrer. RJ will be remembered and inspire future generations of writers, while Roberts is an academic footnote.


You misread that, I see. Two nominations for two different books and that award being the Arthur C. Clarke Award, the UK fandom equivalent to the WorldCon's Hugo Award. It is considered to be one of the top four English-language genre awards a SF/F novel could receive. Now having read the Wiki for RJ, I fail to see these "12 nominations and 2 awards won." If such exist, it certainly isn't for any of the Big 4 (Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy, Arthur C. Clarke) with which I'm a bit familiar. The other information is extraneous and only serves to underscore the point that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. Stop it.

Have a Nice Day

(which, by the way, probably sold more copies than Mr Roberts entire body of work and was a #1 Bestseller by yet another author with a better sense of humor).


Well, at least we share an appreciation for Mick Foley, I see ;)
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13758 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3616 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3589 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3608 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1809 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2912 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3645 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1725 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 3010 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2884 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1582 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3249 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2794 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2931 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2792 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2798 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3270 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1926 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2983 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2986 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2792 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2844 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2857 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1651 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1508 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2860 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2811 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2699 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2757 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2718 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2681 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2619 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2544 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2702 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2719 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2890 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2786 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2835 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2812 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1664 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2739 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2747 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2845 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2785 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2619 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2855 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2768 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2704 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1836 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2705 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2792 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2629 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 3127 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2549 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2823 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1681 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2841 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2651 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2625 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2599 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2813 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2655 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2660 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2711 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2873 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2610 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2545 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2588 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2697 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2658 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2660 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2657 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2557 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2645 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2738 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2868 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2580 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2597 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2581 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2507 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2678 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2590 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2767 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2603 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2598 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2800 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2671 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2685 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2772 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2606 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2651 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2730 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2566 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2895 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11418 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2719 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2882 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2624 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2726 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2778 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2849 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2727 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2822 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2827 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2901 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3246 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 3087 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2537 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2667 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1554 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2791 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2688 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2616 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2489 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2507 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2838 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2517 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2558 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2795 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2847 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2738 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2751 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2544 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2605 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2533 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2623 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2645 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2779 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2655 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2566 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2721 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2765 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2596 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2663 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2486 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2722 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2654 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2674 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3208 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2698 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2693 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2674 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2691 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2516 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2659 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2525 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2560 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2633 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2748 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2734 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2708 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2463 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2800 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2782 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3908 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2455 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2612 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2501 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2719 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2685 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2619 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3477 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2690 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2643 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2667 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2676 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2625 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2755 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3597 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2627 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1647 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2548 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2630 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2585 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 3015 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2528 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2440 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2656 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2652 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2621 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2721 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2630 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2453 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2672 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2601 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2918 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2705 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2718 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2780 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1491 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2523 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2799 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2885 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2636 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2774 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2613 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2952 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2771 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1495 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2670 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2749 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2653 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2760 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10242 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2697 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2724 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2744 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2758 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2769 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2701 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2870 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2539 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2597 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2626 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2556 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2841 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2796 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1571 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2598 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1477 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2535 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1597 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2504 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2710 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2700 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2602 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 3023 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2727 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1502 Views

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