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I guess... Etzel Send a noteboard - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM
It depends on one's patience and willingness to dive into such a big story. Maybe people (like Adam Roberts?), who normally rather read short series, stand-alone novels or short-stories are simply overwhelmed by the many details, plot-lines, foreshadowings, characters, factions, riddles, etc., in the WoT. They call for resolutions even already in the middle of the series, because they can't see what the point of such a detailed story is (especially if they already seem biased against the books from the start). That Roberts apparently thinks that EotW is a better book than TSR or TFoH, is in my view completely incomprehensible. Maybe the special but intentional format of these "monster-fantasy series" simply doesn't work for such people with a shorter attention span. Likely Roberts also couldn't bear to see six seasons of Lost to get to the resolution, but already skip the series after the second or third season, because (naturally, though!) few things are resolved till then. It also would be interesting to see how e.g. his reviews of the Malazan books would look like. I guess that he would be even more confused, and thus describe the story as even more pointless than WoT, simply because it's such long and detailed.

Even if there are - as a matter of course - slower parts in a work like WoT, I'm still overall entertained, because in my view there are gripping scenes in every book and I especially like RJ's ideas of "mythical engineering" (IIRC, RJ used this term) or the Pattern, etc. . Besides that, I'm convinced that there will be a grandiose finale in the last book. Of course, I'm aware it isn't highest literature, but in the end I think one can only judge WoT's worth after the last book is completed to see what was necessary and what redundant. However, it's clear that Roberts actually doesn't really care about seriously reviewing the positive and negative aspects of WoT, but is simply trying to make a few, mainly lame jokes or sarcastic comments. Things like the heroes hiding in a circus or the villains wearing black & red are certainly clichés. On the other hand, if one recalls that RJ's clever idea was that the plot of the series is supposed to be the base of our various myths, it makes perfect sense again that he uses such motifs, because e.g. many of myths of our world also associate black and red with evil. If Roberts criticizes this, he doesn't seem to understand RJ's aim at all.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 11960 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2715 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 2494 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2683 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1305 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1988 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2633 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1260 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2089 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2017 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1137 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2389 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1921 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1921 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1896 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1903 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2311 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1470 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2080 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2083 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1904 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1869 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1914 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1213 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1085 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1965 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1909 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1782 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1850 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1746 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1819 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1711 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1636 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1762 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1772 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1932 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1874 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1940 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1917 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1230 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 1877 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 1826 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1907 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1873 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1723 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1967 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1844 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1803 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1395 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1773 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1885 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1742 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2163 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1668 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1886 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1241 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1882 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1782 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1726 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1719 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1848 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1754 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1799 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1785 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1943 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1670 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1666 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1732 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1829 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1780 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1740 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1752 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1733 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1743 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1863 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1979 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1732 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1698 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1747 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1663 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1784 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1708 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1882 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1715 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1646 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1862 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1760 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1732 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1830 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1749 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1776 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1850 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1659 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1953 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10516 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1838 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1991 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1719 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1839 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1877 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1930 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1808 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1947 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1923 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1998 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2341 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2160 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1634 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1753 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1107 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1930 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1743 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1740 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1601 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1658 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1948 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1624 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1728 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1908 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1929 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1795 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1870 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1624 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1731 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1640 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1720 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1722 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1856 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1732 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1609 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1834 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1759 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1688 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1743 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1585 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1828 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1780 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1791 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2349 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1765 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1798 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1756 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1799 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1597 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1733 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1629 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1661 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1717 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1834 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1875 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1854 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1572 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1849 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1866 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3002 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1598 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1671 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1628 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1773 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1735 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1648 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2574 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1752 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1717 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1734 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1754 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1768 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1800 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2717 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1734 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1203 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1695 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1719 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1673 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2123 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1644 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1570 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1751 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1753 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1747 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1853 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1794 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1600 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1792 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1681 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2045 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1808 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1843 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1871 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1066 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1656 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1872 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2005 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1721 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1899 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1792 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2050 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1893 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1063 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1767 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1834 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1802 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1848 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9251 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1773 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1855 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1880 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1881 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1917 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1868 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2002 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1714 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1752 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1818 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1739 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1915 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1944 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1130 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1716 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1056 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1661 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1186 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1650 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1808 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1816 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1681 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2027 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1806 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1066 Views

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