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Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. Silence_DoGood Send a noteboard - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM
You can spare everyone a long winded explanation on the differences between the two though. You could have posted this anywhere, and perhaps you did, but the fact that you revived it, suggests that you want to start an argument and nothing more. However, I'll indulge you because I like to debate.

Is Robert Jordan the best writer ever? No. Is the Wheel of Time the best piece of fiction ever written? No. However, it has to be judged by what it is, and not what it is not, and what it is is "escapism." When you look upon it as a piece of escapism fiction, then you'll be hard pressed to find a better series, or for that fact a better author. Sure you and everyone else can rattle off other authors, and other books but the numbers speak for themselves. Robert Jordan and the Wheel of Time are king.

Robert Jordan was able to tap into something that a lot of people crave. We live in a world where we're always at work, we're always on call, we're always connected in some way. We have our cellphones in our pockets, and those phones not only receive phone calls, but emails, text messages, and photos. We have the Internet, Twitter, and Facebook, so we can be knowledgeable about everything, and everyone at all times.

As a society we work long hours, and have only a small amount of time to play. I myself work between 60-65 hours a week, and it is common for me to have to deal with problems, not only on my days off, but when I'm on vacation too. All the new technology that comes out that's supposed to make our lives easier, in other ways complicates our lives too.

At the end of the day, people have to decide how to relax, some go to the bar, others watch TV, others movies, but some read books. The majority of the books that I read are Non-Fiction, and of the Fiction that I read a smaller percentage of that is Fantasy.

When I do decide to read a fantasy novel, I'm not looking for an authors view of plant rights, animal rights, gay rights, or human rights, nor do I want to think about terrorists, bombing, or government activities. I want to forget all about that.

Basically, if I read that some author is "using" fantasy to "explore" an issue, then I won't read it. You know why? Because at the heart of it, their just an author with an opinion. Not much different than myself, so if I want to read about global warming, and whether or not it exists, then I'd rather read it without the dragons and magic.

Growing up there was a product for women called Calgon, and their motto was, "Calgon take me away." That's what I'm looking for when I decide to read a fantasy novel. To escape, to get away from the world for a while. That is what the Wheel of Time is about. That is what Robert Jordan meant it to be. To look upon it as anything else, is not to understand what your reading. Surely, your smart enough to understand that.

Let me put it this way. Right now you're all, "Rah Rahing" Adam Roberts and how he reviewed the Wheel of Time. I'm assuming though, that if your work of fiction were reviewed, and judged as escapism, that it would easily fall short. Then of course, you'd probably be upset because we were not smart enough to realize that what you wrote wasn't meant to be escapism, but something different entirely.

In the end, no ones saying that Adam Roberts can't be critical of Jordan. Neither is anyone saying that you can't agree with him. Judging by the amount of comments in this thread, no ones even saying that you can't post it and talk about it. (OK, some people have said it, but the administrators aren't stopping you.) However, with all that being said, none of that makes you right...



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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13458 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3444 Views
Roberto BolaƱo - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3396 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3401 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1689 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2709 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3395 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1622 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2835 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2724 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1482 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 3069 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2633 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2745 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2588 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2612 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 3052 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1819 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2747 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2796 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2625 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2603 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2677 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1559 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1412 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2688 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2623 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2492 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2571 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2550 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2525 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2448 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2382 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2537 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2555 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2702 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2615 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2656 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2643 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1565 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2556 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2558 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2628 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2613 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2436 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2693 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2598 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2537 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1739 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2542 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2636 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2455 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2934 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2385 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2652 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1562 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2666 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2478 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2434 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2427 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2592 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2457 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2505 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2509 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2687 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2438 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2357 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2429 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2534 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2475 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2459 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2466 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2385 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2454 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2568 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2689 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2399 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2410 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2412 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2335 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2515 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2434 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2589 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2424 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2411 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2595 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2500 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2476 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2577 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2437 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2481 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2549 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2409 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2700 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11234 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2554 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2704 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2450 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2553 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2587 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2674 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2547 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2662 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2657 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2726 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 3061 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2908 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2363 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2510 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1453 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2613 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2492 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2447 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2290 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2346 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2666 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2335 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2399 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2622 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2675 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2538 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2573 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2362 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2432 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2354 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2431 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2476 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2599 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2486 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2347 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2549 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2573 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2427 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2483 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2293 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2547 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2473 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2506 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 3031 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2512 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2503 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2470 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2511 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2325 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2480 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2365 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2367 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2461 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2573 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2573 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2547 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2268 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2632 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2610 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3725 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2285 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2416 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2334 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2524 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2490 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2409 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3285 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2518 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2468 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2484 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2468 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2475 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2574 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3415 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2447 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1536 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2380 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2471 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2402 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2843 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2350 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2286 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2503 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2472 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2444 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2534 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2471 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2301 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2504 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2434 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2761 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2535 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2544 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2625 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1402 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2356 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2605 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2705 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2452 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2598 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2435 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2776 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2595 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1387 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2493 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2561 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2496 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2587 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 10071 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2505 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2567 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2577 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2581 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2605 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2531 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2714 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2387 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2451 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2461 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2409 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2660 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2631 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1465 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2431 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1375 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2367 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1497 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2343 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2542 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2548 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2430 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2820 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2556 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1390 Views

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