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That link is out of date Larry Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM
I didn't rely on just wiki, should never singlesource :)

http://authors.wizards.pro/authors/writers/adam-roberts

No, RJ's writing awards are not Hugo-class but they still exist and he did at least win for some. No watter how you slice it, RJ had a more "successful" carrer as an author than Roberts probably ever will (for that matter so has Mick and his first carrer was getting hit in the head by metal chairs 5 days a week so...). Congratulations to Roberts for being a professor at a prestigious university and producing a snarky sarcastic criticism of other ,more succesful, author's work.

Speaking of which, my favorite criticism that he has made so far against RJ's books, is the really insiteful one regarding the lack of graphic sex and violence. A professional college professor, criticising someone who actually served in a war about NOT depicting blood and guts... It is a good thing he has a day-job to fall back on.

As someone else said in a different portion of this thread "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."






Depends on how you define "successful." I've never made more than $42K/year and several years I've made much less. But the most successful moments I had were when I managed to get a severely autistic 6th grader to communicate with me and when a girl who had been raped repeatedly by her parents over 10 years managed to open up to me and laugh a bit during a job I held teaching at a residential treatment center (now closed, unfortunately). It may be that Roberts doesn't define his career by the number of books sold, but by how well he feels he has communicated within his stories.

As for the combat about the violence, etc., look again through those first three books. Roberts hasn't read 4-12. He's commenting on EotW, TGH, and TDR. Those books weren't exactly chock-full of graphic sex/violence. The ones that followed, while it treats those topics slightly different, aren't on the same level still as more recent epic fantasies.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 10143 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2146 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 1900 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2093 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 955 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1458 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2006 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 915 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 1549 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 1476 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 808 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 1830 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1365 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1360 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1377 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1357 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 1716 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 915 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 1527 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 1565 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1351 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1324 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1345 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 894 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 765 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1438 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1377 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1242 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1294 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1165 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1303 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1200 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1113 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1222 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1267 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1339 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1348 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1383 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1378 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1378 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1304 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1194 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1430 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1282 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1296 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1091 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1269 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1372 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1245 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 1612 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1180 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1388 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 923 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1371 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1251 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1241 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1208 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1343 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1266 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1319 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1298 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1348 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1179 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1192 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1247 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1295 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1292 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1209 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1242 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1197 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1195 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1344 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1417 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1237 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1208 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1209 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1197 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1272 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1210 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1361 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1210 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1120 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1249 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1272 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1228 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1315 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1283 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1269 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1310 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1140 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1403 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10016 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1309 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1470 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1195 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1336 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1379 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1425 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1275 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1465 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1433 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 1422 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 1850 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 1656 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1151 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1241 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 810 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1414 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1235 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1248 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1132 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1159 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1447 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1116 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1222 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1372 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1412 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1277 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1350 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1126 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1208 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1129 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1206 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1157 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1323 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1249 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1118 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1316 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1222 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1206 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1267 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1085 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1299 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1254 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1271 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 1780 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1190 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1320 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1281 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1288 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1086 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1223 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1150 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1142 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1147 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1336 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1358 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1311 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1100 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1310 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1353 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 2504 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1111 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1155 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1131 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1271 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1242 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1153 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2081 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1231 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1202 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1231 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1125 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1249 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1302 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2216 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1209 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 896 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1227 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1243 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1197 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 1424 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1154 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1063 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1246 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1204 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1215 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1314 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1218 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1080 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1272 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1157 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 1519 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1254 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1312 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1294 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 780 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1136 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1302 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 1406 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1194 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1383 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1291 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 1487 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1313 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 775 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1218 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1282 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1276 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1290 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 8700 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1242 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1364 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1359 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1316 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1392 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1335 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 1474 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1214 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1243 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1314 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1236 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1151 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1456 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 846 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1205 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 757 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1113 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 795 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1138 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1253 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1355 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1131 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 1409 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1288 Views

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