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I suppose Larry Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM
I was quite unfamiliar with the diversity of fantasy novels at the time I started reading The WHeel of Time, so maybe that's why books 2 and 3, while still following the same general pattern as The Eye of the World felt different for me. But as I've noted elsewhere, The Eye even then made me think of a poor version of The Sword of Shannara, except the characters were generally far less enjoyable. Moiraine in particular seemed to always try to fit the role of Allanon by going "Oooh... look at me, I have ulterior motives!" as though we were supposed to be suspicious of her when it was blatantly obvious she was a 'good guy', so to speak...

Oh, and the SHienarans. I still have no idea why they randomly speak the Old Tongue, except that the people of Gondor spoke elvish. That's annoying. Most similarities, while present and noticeable, are at least internally coherent.


I hadn't read much fantasy fiction at the time either, as I was mostly into early 20th century realist literature (Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Camus, Bellow, etc.) But I think my main problem I had with the second and third books (like I do with a lot of multi-volume work) is that I had a better understanding of the setting, but that the characterizations were very underdeveloped at those points. That and it seemed to take too long to get to certain plot points (as if that ever really changed!). If I hadn't needed something almost mindless during my MA exams, I think I would have passed on the series after reading the first three books (and after reading #7).
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 11972 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 2723 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 2505 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 2692 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1309 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 1997 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 2641 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1264 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2097 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2023 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1140 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2396 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 1928 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 1930 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 1905 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 1912 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2318 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1475 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2088 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2092 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 1911 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 1876 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 1921 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1217 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1089 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 1973 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 1916 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 1788 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 1859 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 1757 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 1823 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 1718 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 1643 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 1772 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 1780 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 1940 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 1884 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 1951 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 1925 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1234 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 1883 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 1833 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 1916 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 1879 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 1732 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 1977 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 1851 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 1810 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1400 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 1783 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 1893 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 1750 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2171 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 1676 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 1896 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1244 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 1891 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 1790 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 1739 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 1726 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 1855 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 1762 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 1807 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 1792 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 1950 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 1679 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 1672 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 1739 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 1836 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 1789 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 1747 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 1759 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 1740 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 1750 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 1870 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 1987 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 1740 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 1705 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 1756 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 1669 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 1792 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 1719 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 1891 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 1725 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 1654 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 1870 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 1768 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 1740 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 1837 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 1755 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 1784 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 1857 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 1668 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 1958 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 10523 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 1845 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 1999 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 1725 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 1849 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 1885 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 1938 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 1815 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 1954 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 1930 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2007 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2347 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2165 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 1639 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 1759 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1111 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 1937 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 1752 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 1746 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 1608 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 1664 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 1956 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 1631 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 1735 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 1918 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 1936 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 1802 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 1878 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 1630 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 1739 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 1651 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 1724 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 1730 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 1863 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 1738 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 1616 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 1840 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 1764 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 1694 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 1749 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 1591 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 1834 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 1788 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 1797 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2356 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 1776 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 1804 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 1763 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 1806 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 1604 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 1740 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 1636 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 1668 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 1727 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 1843 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 1883 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 1859 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1579 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 1856 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 1872 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3009 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 1605 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 1679 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 1636 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 1781 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 1741 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 1659 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 2581 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 1757 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 1722 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 1740 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 1761 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 1774 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 1806 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 2723 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 1741 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1206 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 1700 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 1726 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 1682 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2131 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 1652 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 1577 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 1760 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 1759 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 1753 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 1860 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 1799 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 1607 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 1801 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 1689 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2052 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 1813 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 1851 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 1879 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1069 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 1663 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 1881 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2012 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 1728 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 1906 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1797 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2055 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 1900 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1067 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 1773 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 1840 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 1808 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 1854 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9260 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 1777 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 1861 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 1886 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 1890 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 1922 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 1874 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2008 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 1719 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 1761 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 1824 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 1745 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 1923 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 1951 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1133 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 1725 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1059 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 1669 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1189 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 1656 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 1815 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 1823 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 1689 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2036 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 1815 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1069 Views

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