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Commentary, then? Larry Send a noteboard - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM
Some of his complaints make no sense at all, and the others show him to possess an extreme amount of churlishness. At the end of this so called review, all he has done is repeat his issues with the series he had from day one.


Well, Roberts is known for his snark in reviews, which I did note when I posted this thread originally :P And yes, some of his complaints are repetitive, but perhaps some of those are due to certain perceived "defects" cropping up throughout the series? The prose certainly never gets to the "sparkling" level at any point that I recall; it did feel a bit padded throughout, to be honest. That is something that could be raised as a point about each individual volume. Whether you agree with it or not is a different matter :P

That might not be so bad, if he could in fact address them with respect to this current book. But he doesn't even do that. Where the first review complained about lifting from Tolkien, this one just focuses on some extremely thin similarities with Dune.


And for someone who admittedly read it hurriedly, that's grounds for dismissing his point that there are indeed those similarities? It's little different than reviewers of various epic fantasy works noting the similarities (and possible derivations) between works. Yes, it is quite likely RJ wanted to have those similarities in there to serve a different purpose than what Roberts appears to concede, but there are quite a few of them, if I recall.

And it goes on. The only difference is, this time he comes and says straight out that he barely glanced through the book:

I read the book fairly rapidly, but I look back on it now trying to remember what all this diverse running-around, collecting, fighting and so on amounted to.

Now some of this, I’ll confess, had to do with the rapidity of my reading of the book.

What is worse is his absurd idea of what "adult" character development is...

There are intimations of sex in the book, but instead of actual sex we get a load of schoolyard crushes, mooning about, kissing, jealousies and the occasional bottom-pinch.

Why the obsession with sex? Explicit portrayal of sex is not consistent with the mood and characters of the series at all!


I think it's more of a case where there is a more graphic description of warfare and suffering (and quasi-bondage scenes later in the series) than there is a deeper exploration of the coming-of-age issues that the characters have. The emotional/romance/love parts are perhaps a weak PG compared to the PG-13 to almost R-rated violence. That is something that is interesting, to say the least. But it's probably been discussed to death here over the years, I guess?

And then there's his grousing about the "words of wisdom" in the book, some of which were nothing of the sort, others which are clear in context and some which are clear on their own, but get mocked for the sake of mocking. Like:


"On the heights, the paths are paved with daggers." [43] Laid flat, this would surely result in a perfectly serviceable, if expensive, road. Laid edge-upwards, you’d probably want to walk alongside it rather than on it. Either way it seems self-defeating.

Really? His interpretation of this quote is... what? That literally paving a road with daggers is senseless?

If this is the kind of silly childish stuff a Cambridge professor can manage these days, the place must be going to the dogs. I'd give more kudos to the Lemmings of Discord over at Westeros. At least, they don't claim to be doing actual reviews, and end up being hilarious and still making good points.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 19/03/2010 09:30:25 PM 13144 Views
A question for Larry - 19/03/2010 09:40:37 PM 3280 Views
Roberto Bolaño - 19/03/2010 11:09:57 PM 3157 Views
I completely agree with his review. - 19/03/2010 11:11:17 PM 3243 Views
Ouch! Somebody pull that guy off RJ! *NM* - 20/03/2010 03:47:07 AM 1606 Views
Can't say that I really disagree. - 20/03/2010 05:19:26 AM 2559 Views
My problem with the reviews: - 20/03/2010 06:29:08 AM 3241 Views
Hear Hear !!! ....................... = ........................ *NM* - 20/03/2010 06:37:11 AM 1530 Views
I agree - 20/03/2010 11:19:29 AM 2683 Views
You know what else I'm finding annoying? - 07/04/2010 07:29:37 AM 2588 Views
Fully Agree *NM* - 21/06/2010 12:41:05 AM 1400 Views
well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 06:51:29 AM 2948 Views
Re: well I agree and disagree - 20/03/2010 02:12:43 PM 2485 Views
I'd say just The Eye of the World - 20/03/2010 05:26:19 PM 2545 Views
Indeed - 21/03/2010 12:34:19 AM 2447 Views
These reviews are pathetic - 20/03/2010 12:52:22 PM 2478 Views
I'm amused by some of the responses - 20/03/2010 07:20:03 PM 2893 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/03/2010 10:48:14 PM 1736 Views
Are you suggesting that we are unqualified to disagree with him ? - 20/03/2010 11:21:44 PM 2614 Views
No, I said rather that it's ridiculous to make such disparaging comments about his takes - 20/03/2010 11:37:56 PM 2630 Views
I considered doing so - 21/03/2010 12:27:27 AM 2480 Views
I will reply to myself: What's the problem McFly , chicken ? - 21/03/2010 12:29:36 AM 2442 Views
My sister called me chicken once - 10/04/2010 01:18:31 AM 2491 Views
what's wrong runt... are you yellah? *NM* - 10/04/2010 10:40:16 AM 1482 Views
NICE! *NM* - 10/04/2010 02:19:44 PM 1344 Views
Re: I'm amused by some of the responses - 23/03/2010 04:50:42 PM 2546 Views
And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 01:11:50 AM 2457 Views
Re: And I'm even more amused by this response - 24/03/2010 03:03:28 AM 2340 Views
Nah, TGS was the only serious review of the series I've done - 24/03/2010 04:31:28 AM 2417 Views
On a completely unrelated note... - 24/03/2010 06:15:25 AM 2346 Views
Ha! - 24/03/2010 06:34:48 AM 2366 Views
My congratulations then . *NM* - 24/03/2010 06:36:11 AM 2302 Views
You say it as if I had been condemned to hell! - 24/03/2010 07:13:45 AM 2187 Views
No. Well, maybe. - 24/03/2010 06:52:28 PM 2377 Views
! - 24/03/2010 06:54:34 PM 2376 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 22/03/2010 02:47:23 PM 2525 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 01:53:16 PM 2481 Views
Wow, you guys have completely missed the point of the Wheel of Time series - 22/03/2010 05:28:07 PM 2515 Views
There's a point to it? - 22/03/2010 06:47:12 PM 2493 Views
Yes, RJ has explained it at least a few times and the main sequence of each book invokes his message *NM* - 24/03/2010 02:09:01 AM 1488 Views
You're not taking me seriously now, are you? - 24/03/2010 02:54:37 AM 2420 Views
I meant the reason why RJ wrote WoT in the first place - 24/03/2010 06:39:47 AM 2410 Views
I thought the point was to write about a bunch of stuff happening? - 09/04/2010 03:42:49 PM 2478 Views
Re: Author Adam Roberts tackled the WoT. - 23/03/2010 04:54:38 PM 2446 Views
pfft wth-ever - 26/03/2010 12:35:53 AM 2292 Views
Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 26/03/2010 12:28:19 PM 2553 Views
bla bla bla - 29/03/2010 06:17:07 AM 2448 Views
Usually, it's spelled "blah" - 29/03/2010 07:03:51 AM 2402 Views
Wow. That post was more entertaining than Mr. Roberts' review. Thank you *NM* - 29/03/2010 08:23:41 AM 1670 Views
You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 08:54:03 AM 2372 Views
Re: You must have low standards for entertainment - 29/03/2010 09:13:44 AM 2476 Views
I know you were, thus the at the least of my comment - 29/03/2010 09:19:30 AM 2322 Views
Unimpressed - 29/03/2010 10:50:07 PM 2770 Views
Thank you - 30/03/2010 12:35:39 AM 2216 Views
*Standing ovation for DomA* - 30/03/2010 07:36:59 AM 2497 Views
Yes. Also, Roberts is a wanker. *NM* - 05/04/2010 09:28:57 PM 1494 Views
Re: Dude's been up for more awards for his writing than RJ ever was - 29/03/2010 04:32:23 PM 2486 Views
Might want to re-read their Wikis again. - 29/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 2339 Views
Awards - 29/03/2010 07:42:03 PM 2298 Views
That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 07:54:56 PM 2290 Views
Re: That link is out of date - 29/03/2010 08:22:03 PM 2425 Views
This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 08:47:54 PM 2329 Views
Re: This is a battle of win/lose? - 29/03/2010 09:03:07 PM 2367 Views
*considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:28:06 PM 2351 Views
Re: *considers employing the Chewbacca defense* - 29/03/2010 09:44:58 PM 2566 Views
The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 12:24:56 AM 2260 Views
Re: The final point explains the "defense" - 30/03/2010 01:33:04 PM 2222 Views
No, no, no - 30/03/2010 06:38:41 PM 2285 Views
Re: No, no, no - 30/03/2010 07:51:34 PM 2397 Views
Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 02:10:13 AM 2352 Views
Re: Still continuing, huh? - 31/03/2010 03:56:57 PM 2312 Views
Those were polls - 31/03/2010 08:46:07 PM 2329 Views
Re: Those were polls - 05/04/2010 03:22:13 PM 2271 Views
Does it gives him right to insult me? - 13/04/2011 02:10:32 PM 2320 Views
I wouldn't know. Was he speaking directly to you? - 14/04/2011 11:28:16 PM 2432 Views
He's now reviewed the third book - 26/03/2010 12:27:16 PM 2543 Views
Well, this time I must disagree with him . - 29/03/2010 07:31:40 AM 2268 Views
I don't think he was claiming that RJ was alone in doing that - 29/03/2010 07:44:07 AM 2260 Views
Hah! - 29/03/2010 06:07:28 PM 2286 Views
Well... - 29/03/2010 06:52:10 PM 2193 Views
Differing perspectives, I guess. - 29/03/2010 07:58:13 PM 2388 Views
I suppose - 29/03/2010 08:50:43 PM 2291 Views
Re: I suppose - 30/03/2010 12:18:30 AM 2434 Views
True - 30/03/2010 12:23:28 AM 2274 Views
Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 12:52:01 AM 2264 Views
Re: Hey, DomA, do you know why the Shienarans randomly speak in the Old Tongue? - 30/03/2010 07:45:08 AM 2449 Views
But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:07:00 AM 2348 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 03:56:54 PM 2326 Views
Re: But why only them? - 30/03/2010 08:29:37 PM 2420 Views
I really liked a lot of the minor characters in The Great Hunt. - 30/03/2010 12:49:03 AM 2305 Views
I barely thought twice about those, to be honest - 30/03/2010 06:39:55 PM 2341 Views
I can't wait what he's going to try to do with TFoH and beyond - 28/03/2010 08:18:59 PM 2432 Views
Glad you enjoyed it - 29/03/2010 09:33:43 PM 2262 Views
The Shadow Rising review - 02/04/2010 09:42:53 AM 2528 Views
I wonder if this borders on trolling - 02/04/2010 02:29:58 PM 11082 Views
You want complaining? You got it... - 02/04/2010 06:38:09 PM 2414 Views
That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 09:16:25 PM 2547 Views
Re: That would be a mistake - 02/04/2010 10:28:56 PM 2306 Views
I agree, Roberts is more and more coming across to me as just bitter - 10/04/2010 01:24:52 AM 2415 Views
Little late to this one as well - 10/04/2010 11:12:04 AM 2444 Views
Perhaps you should have led with this bit - 10/04/2010 02:52:23 PM 2531 Views
Re: I wonder if this borders on trolling - 04/04/2010 09:16:22 AM 2418 Views
What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 08:00:45 PM 2498 Views
Re: What review? I couldn't find one... - 02/04/2010 09:22:13 PM 2508 Views
See my comment below - 02/04/2010 09:32:54 PM 2577 Views
Re: See my comment below - 03/04/2010 09:31:22 AM 2895 Views
Sorry I'm late in responding, but I've been quite busy this week - 07/04/2010 09:45:48 PM 2765 Views
Yes, I can probably agree with what you say here. - 08/04/2010 12:29:16 AM 2221 Views
- 08/04/2010 12:32:53 AM 2372 Views
I agree completely. *NM* - 02/04/2010 09:53:44 PM 1390 Views
Speaking of irritation - 02/04/2010 10:50:04 PM 2474 Views
Commentary, then? - 02/04/2010 09:27:18 PM 2345 Views
Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:11:18 PM 2297 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 02/04/2010 10:31:56 PM 2139 Views
Re: Here's the thing... - 03/04/2010 01:34:05 AM 2198 Views
I somehow overlooked this last week, it seems - 10/04/2010 11:01:17 AM 2498 Views
Indeed - 02/04/2010 10:34:00 PM 2197 Views
Re: Commentary, then? - 05/04/2010 03:44:07 PM 2255 Views
for a man that bitterly complains about an author who is padding his work - 08/04/2010 09:41:07 PM 2478 Views
1400 words is long-winded? - 09/04/2010 10:07:41 AM 2521 Views
since you can sum up those 1400 words in about 25 yes that's longwinded - 09/04/2010 01:36:16 PM 2393 Views
Except I didn't really sum it up, as I left out quite a bit - 10/04/2010 11:15:42 AM 2427 Views
You are very defensive over this - 10/04/2010 01:54:15 PM 2226 Views
Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 03:57:12 AM 2278 Views
Re: Nah, more of a devil's advocate than anything else - 12/04/2010 05:30:53 PM 2203 Views
You sound like a Goodkind webmaster from a couple of years ago - 12/04/2010 06:58:42 PM 2295 Views
You don't come across as a devil's advocate - 30/03/2011 03:07:32 PM 2298 Views
Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 07/04/2010 08:59:28 PM 2454 Views
I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 07/04/2010 09:50:39 PM 2334 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 08/04/2010 01:06:20 PM 2192 Views
Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 09:58:44 AM 2422 Views
Re: Which Invisible Man? - 09/04/2010 01:26:42 PM 2399 Views
I have a very different take on that book - 10/04/2010 11:17:13 AM 2284 Views
Re: I demand a paragraph by paragraph review, with footnotes! - 09/04/2010 01:45:44 PM 2319 Views
Hrmm... - 10/04/2010 11:19:01 AM 2159 Views
Re: Well Larry I have started reading Gradsil by Adam Roberts - 12/04/2010 05:37:36 PM 2392 Views
He brings up some interesting points, if in an unnecessarily rude manner - 08/04/2010 12:42:25 PM 2355 Views
To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 10:05:49 AM 2348 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 09/04/2010 01:28:17 PM 2882 Views
Re: To be honest, I doubt most readers of the series obsess over it that much - 10/04/2010 11:40:22 AM 2355 Views
why are you so bothered by people being unimpressed with Roberts? - 10/04/2010 02:19:08 PM 2360 Views
I don't understand it either - 11/04/2010 12:44:25 PM 2338 Views
right? - 11/04/2010 02:13:00 PM 2377 Views
Nah - 12/04/2010 04:13:44 AM 2191 Views
And in vol. 5, Roberts discovers the horrors of the circus - 09/04/2010 09:57:03 AM 2336 Views
5 reviews without saying more than "I hate the series" - 09/04/2010 01:31:13 PM 2189 Views
Basically he just states the "nothing happens"-argument... - 09/04/2010 03:26:02 PM 2228 Views
Well, what was really resolved here? - 10/04/2010 11:25:25 AM 2324 Views
Well... - 12/04/2010 05:05:20 PM 2443 Views
well exactly - 12/04/2010 05:33:11 PM 2456 Views
So very little was resolved and much was set into motion, then? - 12/04/2010 06:55:45 PM 2395 Views
Yes... - 12/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 2140 Views
Ever read Umberto Eco's How To Travel with a Salmon? - 12/04/2010 11:07:19 PM 2465 Views
I guess... - 13/04/2010 10:03:03 AM 2450 Views
Sounds like you value prolixity for the sake of prolixity, to be honest - 13/04/2010 04:41:07 PM 3589 Views
Nah... - 13/04/2010 05:29:34 PM 2148 Views
He's read and enjoyed Proust, among others - 13/04/2010 07:37:39 PM 2254 Views
Ah, well... - 13/04/2010 09:45:45 PM 2198 Views
Dismissive, much? - 13/04/2010 10:52:30 PM 2372 Views
About that bifurcation... - 14/04/2010 02:02:15 AM 2340 Views
I'm rather moderate - 14/04/2010 10:11:30 AM 2241 Views
I'm just a liberation theologist at heart - 15/04/2010 01:51:16 PM 3142 Views
So, if you don't mind... - 13/04/2010 05:51:06 AM 2373 Views
That's fine with me - 13/04/2010 06:31:41 AM 2328 Views
I'm sorry, but he's totally right. "The Circus" made me put down this series for 5 YEARS. - 09/04/2010 03:38:16 PM 2356 Views
I didn't find it quite that bad, but... - 11/04/2010 08:27:52 AM 2340 Views
LoC represented a sharp drop in quality!!? - 19/05/2010 03:27:21 PM 2336 Views
And ignores everything else... - 09/04/2010 05:10:00 PM 2419 Views
Inchoatus went offline a couple of years ago - 10/04/2010 11:42:26 AM 3272 Views
This guy is going to get what he deserves... - 09/04/2010 10:26:14 PM 2306 Views
I'm waiting with bated breath for his CoT review *NM* - 10/04/2010 01:00:59 PM 1453 Views
Just wanted to point out that he is not reviewing the series. - 16/04/2010 04:04:49 PM 2250 Views
Lord of Chaos commentary - 16/04/2010 03:39:39 PM 2321 Views
He has reached - The Hump. - 16/04/2010 03:55:51 PM 2273 Views
Re: He has reached - The Hump. - 18/04/2010 08:08:59 AM 2714 Views
No no. It was Lord of Heaven! - 16/04/2010 05:51:11 PM 2219 Views
Yeah, I noticed that - 16/04/2010 11:16:26 PM 2132 Views
I would love the see him review Goodkind... - 16/04/2010 11:51:07 PM 2363 Views
Finally re-read that post - 20/04/2010 09:35:45 PM 2335 Views
The magic items are mostly irrelevant... - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 AM 2307 Views
A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 23/04/2010 08:36:17 AM 2386 Views
Re: A Crown of Swords - or is it deco-porn? - 29/04/2010 06:02:28 PM 2334 Views
I disagree - 29/04/2010 09:34:49 PM 2161 Views
I agree. - 29/04/2010 09:45:29 PM 2376 Views
Took me a moment to realize with whom you were agreeing - 29/04/2010 10:19:05 PM 2286 Views
Well, I did mention the necklines get overdone... - 06/05/2010 06:17:46 PM 2592 Views
Well, there's now also the tea to comment about - 07/05/2010 11:29:03 AM 2401 Views
A bit of a stumble this week - 30/04/2010 01:53:31 PM 2411 Views
The Path of Daggers commentary - 07/05/2010 10:39:03 AM 2478 Views
You'd think a Brit would like the tea... *NM* - 11/05/2010 04:05:42 PM 1331 Views
Maybe he's just a contrarian? - 11/05/2010 07:55:43 PM 2220 Views
Winter's Heart - 21/05/2010 12:46:14 PM 2451 Views
To be fair - 21/05/2010 01:56:49 PM 2555 Views
I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 21/05/2010 04:49:31 PM 2301 Views
Re: I think WH was my least favorite of the WoT novels I re-read - 25/05/2010 05:05:09 PM 2456 Views
WH was my least favorite novel in the series, and that is saying a lot. - 28/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 2302 Views
I completely agree with his KoD post. Here is my favorite quote: - 28/05/2010 03:08:31 PM 2628 Views
CoT, you mean (link to actual post included) - 28/05/2010 04:56:10 PM 2454 Views
Yep, I meant COT. *NM* - 28/05/2010 07:02:48 PM 1326 Views
Knife of Dreams - 18/06/2010 09:07:27 AM 2343 Views
Re: Knife of Dreams - 19/06/2010 05:49:38 AM 2415 Views
Agree... - 19/06/2010 05:08:44 PM 2356 Views
Roberts reflects back on WoT 1-11, with answers to questions asked of him - 25/06/2010 12:51:29 PM 2420 Views
This guy should be burned at the stake - 25/06/2010 03:22:34 PM 9895 Views
Are you done making a fool out of yourself, Mark? - 26/06/2010 06:53:37 PM 2366 Views
Oh come on... - 26/06/2010 09:06:01 PM 2433 Views
Well, the burning at the stake was a bit much... - 26/06/2010 10:19:40 PM 2431 Views
Well, really! You brought the comment to his notice... - 26/06/2010 11:34:08 PM 2435 Views
And your point is...? - 27/06/2010 12:37:00 AM 2442 Views
Well... - 27/06/2010 05:38:12 AM 2397 Views
Indeed... I think it's rather clear that Larry's goal has been to cause trouble - 27/06/2010 10:57:36 AM 2578 Views
There is no "borderline" about it. - 28/03/2011 05:17:15 PM 2260 Views
Ridiculous - 27/06/2010 06:38:46 AM 2325 Views
I like his FAQ and his overall musings on its' popularity. - 29/06/2010 06:35:10 PM 2334 Views
One year later... - 27/03/2011 03:40:29 AM 2260 Views
Re: One year later... - 28/03/2011 05:03:32 PM 2502 Views
I see you subconsciously support critical takes. - 28/03/2011 11:41:48 PM 2500 Views
No I conciously support telling you and him that you are pathetic, arrogent, & jelous. *NM* - 30/03/2011 01:40:36 PM 1396 Views
Jealous? - 30/03/2011 05:20:32 PM 2269 Views
I agree, I didn't even notice it was an old post, definitely did not deserve to be revived. *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:41:12 PM 1307 Views
Seconded. - 30/03/2011 04:04:36 PM 2237 Views
Now I notice as well that this is a year old. You're very silly, Larry, very silly. *NM* - 30/03/2011 04:13:38 PM 1435 Views
Yep! - 30/03/2011 05:16:38 PM 2213 Views
Jeez Larry, you're starting to sound like a GRRM detractor. - 31/03/2011 03:01:38 PM 2393 Views
Nah, no detractor - 01/04/2011 03:00:41 PM 2390 Views
Could a thread be locked? - 31/03/2011 07:48:26 PM 2286 Views
Re: One year later... - 01/04/2011 02:55:02 AM 2652 Views
Yep - 01/04/2011 02:57:52 PM 2399 Views
He's not an "author", he's just a stupid troll, do not feed him *NM* - 30/03/2011 02:39:19 PM 1323 Views

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